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Time for Ukraine to talk to Russia? ‘Nuts!’
Politico ^ | 18th November 2022 | James Dettmer

Posted on 11/19/2022 2:57:12 AM PST by Cronos

No one wants to sit down with foes who bomb their homes indiscriminately and target their energy infrastructure, plunging households into darkness and forcing surgeons in hospitals to perform operations by torchlight.

And as the remains of civilians tortured by Russian soldiers occupying the southern city of Kherson are unearthed, the cold fury Ukrainians felt at the documented abuses — from rape to casually gunning down non-combatants in Bucha and Irpin — only intensifies.

.... Nuts!” also fairly sums up the reaction of “ordinary” Ukrainians I spoke with this week, as to whether they would endorse peace negotiations — and whether they’d be willing to trade any land in the Donbas, or the whole of Crimea, for peace.

Yuliya Grigor, whose soldier husband is currently undergoing treatment for severe shell shock, said Ukraine can win this fight, if the West stays true and constant. The 35-year-old charity worker, who is from Mauripol but now lives in Lviv, said, “Russians don’t understand that however many missiles they throw at us, we won’t give in, surrender or negotiate. And they can’t divide us.”

“We don’t have anything to talk about. Putin doesn’t understand Ukraine is a separate, sovereign country and is united. Anyway, he doesn’t even know the meaning of the word peace. So, there is no sense in talking with them,” she added. ...

Yuliya isn’t alone in her vehemence. I interviewed a dozen others in the underground parking lot of a Lviv shopping mall that now serves as a bomb shelter...

“I disagree, and there can be no talks, no agreements because Russia will always break any deals; you can’t trust them. All countries recognized Ukraine’s borders in 1991, and this is our country."

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.eu ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: biden; burisma; eurowankers; ftx; intothegunsdearukies; jamesdettmer; money; moneylaundering; propaganda; sunsetonbritian; tothelastukenazi; tothelastukie; ukenazisgoingdown; ukiecannonfodder; ukraine; winteriscoming
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To: cranked

you only posted your Russian lies 12 times in your first half-hour

that’s pathetic

don’t you realize you’re letting some comments actually get thru without you obsessively swatting them down?

LOL


61 posted on 11/19/2022 5:30:46 AM PST by canuck_conservative (20 years of being over target!!!)
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To: Cronos

The Ukraine was just exposed for sending a missile into Poland and framing the Russians for it.

The Ukraine wants foreign aid to keep coming so he has to escalate the war and he doesn’t care if it goes nuclear.

The world is appalled a the viciousness of the globalists’ Ukrainian moneylaundering operation. Zelensky and his handlers want WWIII.


62 posted on 11/19/2022 5:31:48 AM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: tlozo

Strange how the 8 social media sites, two in Russia, and then the vid sites I go to, 1 in Russia, have not mentioned such, huh?

And given those peeps in Russia would certainly know more than some BS coming out of a UK propaganda ridden outlet whose own UK government has a serious, serious case of Russophobia in so much that they have steadily pumped out utter BS propaganda, stuff literally made up and written at a desk.....

The very same UK propaganda ridden media outlets, along with the US/EU/NATO that have been BS reporting that Russia was running out of drones, running out of missiles, running out of chips, running out of munitions, running out of tanks, Putin was dying, that Ukraine been winning since April, that Russia blew up its own pipelines, that Russia was shelling itself in its own nuclear power plant, that Russia missile’d Poland....I could go on..........................!

Heads up, the Russian mobilization continues, it never stopped.

Jokes on you.


63 posted on 11/19/2022 5:35:19 AM PST by cranked
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

National suicide in real time. Reminds me of the Carthaginians.
*********
As always, it is better to die fighting than to die a slave. See? There are fates worse than death.


64 posted on 11/19/2022 5:36:30 AM PST by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: canuck_conservative

Done that research on Nazi Freeland yet, resident of Canuckistan.

Don’t you, Freeland, and Justin Castro have more truckers to molest and block their bank accounts?


65 posted on 11/19/2022 5:37:11 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

This winter, Ukraine is going to massacre the Russian conscripts freezing in their trenches because they didn’t bring proper gear. .


66 posted on 11/19/2022 5:37:31 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: tlozo
Was it the Viagra rape squads ?

UN Caught Fabricating Russian Viagra R@pe Allegations

67 posted on 11/19/2022 5:37:55 AM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: Cronos

I ran across this video on YouTube, and it is amazing. It describes exactly why Russia is performing so terribly. I knew about how the recruits were beaten and forced into prostitution but this talks about how the gangs operate in prisons and how gang members force army officers and enlisted to pay bribes, so they don’t get beaten. I can already anticipate the Putin-lovers saying it’s propaganda but watch with an open mind as it explains so much of what we’re seeing. And it’s not hard to find videos of soldiers being beaten by what they call “grandfathers.” Consider hitting the like button so it gets wider distribution. Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC2unrpdk_Y


68 posted on 11/19/2022 5:39:54 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: csvset
Was it the Viagra rape squads ? UN Caught Fabricating Russian Viagra R@pe Allegations

Sure, no russian ever robbed, raped or killed a civilian in Ukraine.

69 posted on 11/19/2022 5:40:16 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: bert
"This winter, Ukraine is going to massacre the Russian conscripts freezing in their trenches because they didn’t bring proper gear."
70 posted on 11/19/2022 5:40:45 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

LOL

stay chained to your keyboard


71 posted on 11/19/2022 5:40:46 AM PST by canuck_conservative (20 years of being over target!!!)
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To: canuck_conservative

72 posted on 11/19/2022 5:42:36 AM PST by cranked
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To: tlozo
Did you watch the video ?

“ No proof, it’s not my role to have proof “ - UN spokesbitch

73 posted on 11/19/2022 5:42:41 AM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: tlozo

But Ukraine is right next to Russia so if Ukraine joins NATO then NATO will be right on Russia’s border. This is unacceptable because no other NATO member is on Russia’s border.

Except Latvia
And Estonia
And now Finland.

Well, never mind. Russia is just full of $#!^


74 posted on 11/19/2022 5:43:06 AM PST by sloanrb
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To: Cronos

bkmk


75 posted on 11/19/2022 5:44:05 AM PST by sauropod (Fascists also buy Comcast cable packages" - Olby - Wanna buy mine?)
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To: sloanrb

“And now Finland.”

Finland nor Sweden have been inducted into NATO, so yeah.....
Estonia not a problem.
Latvia not a problem.

I sent a letter to Putin asking if he would start talks with Mexico so Russia could eventually station troops and nukes there.

Let’s see how that would play out with the US shall we?
Yeah, I know who is full of BS, its the US/NATO/UK/WEST/EU.......


76 posted on 11/19/2022 5:47:25 AM PST by cranked
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To: Cronos

Russia has turned Ukraine into a seething caldron of hate towards Russia. There will be no peace until Russia withdraws or all their troops in Ukraine are blown up.


77 posted on 11/19/2022 5:51:43 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

“There will be no peace until Russia withdraws or all their troops in Ukraine are blown up.”

Not happening.

But keep dinking around.....

“The #Russians might just keep rolling their tanks right to #Berlin, as they did successfully before”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR9JPUpFS40


78 posted on 11/19/2022 5:55:11 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked
“The #Russians might just keep rolling their tanks right to #Berlin, as they did successfully before”

Idiotic, russia is struggling against Ukraine, a country with no real airforce or navy and you're suggesting they could take on NATO? Delusional

79 posted on 11/19/2022 5:59:20 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: cranked

the US had appropriated $52 billion of which we have only delivered $18 billion.

Joe Biden has requested and additional $48 billion from the lame duck congress, which given McCarthy and Greene’s comments will almost certainly be approved by the democrat controlled Congress in the next month.

But the new congress will still favor supporting Ukraine. 2/3’s of Republicans voted for the first appropration. Even if support falls to under 50% of Republicans, that’s more than enough votes together with Democrats to push through additional appropriations after the new Congress is seated.

Russia should expect that Ukraine will be funded for years. And that more and more advanced weapons are going to be used against them by Ukraine. I hear ATACMS missiles have been delivered.

Putin is the Hitler of our lifetime, and he will be stopped. The lessons of appeasement from WWII have been learned.


80 posted on 11/19/2022 6:02:21 AM PST by DannyTN
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