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Time for Ukraine to talk to Russia? ‘Nuts!’
Politico ^ | 18th November 2022 | James Dettmer

Posted on 11/19/2022 2:57:12 AM PST by Cronos

No one wants to sit down with foes who bomb their homes indiscriminately and target their energy infrastructure, plunging households into darkness and forcing surgeons in hospitals to perform operations by torchlight.

And as the remains of civilians tortured by Russian soldiers occupying the southern city of Kherson are unearthed, the cold fury Ukrainians felt at the documented abuses — from rape to casually gunning down non-combatants in Bucha and Irpin — only intensifies.

.... Nuts!” also fairly sums up the reaction of “ordinary” Ukrainians I spoke with this week, as to whether they would endorse peace negotiations — and whether they’d be willing to trade any land in the Donbas, or the whole of Crimea, for peace.

Yuliya Grigor, whose soldier husband is currently undergoing treatment for severe shell shock, said Ukraine can win this fight, if the West stays true and constant. The 35-year-old charity worker, who is from Mauripol but now lives in Lviv, said, “Russians don’t understand that however many missiles they throw at us, we won’t give in, surrender or negotiate. And they can’t divide us.”

“We don’t have anything to talk about. Putin doesn’t understand Ukraine is a separate, sovereign country and is united. Anyway, he doesn’t even know the meaning of the word peace. So, there is no sense in talking with them,” she added. ...

Yuliya isn’t alone in her vehemence. I interviewed a dozen others in the underground parking lot of a Lviv shopping mall that now serves as a bomb shelter...

“I disagree, and there can be no talks, no agreements because Russia will always break any deals; you can’t trust them. All countries recognized Ukraine’s borders in 1991, and this is our country."

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.eu ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: biden; burisma; eurowankers; ftx; intothegunsdearukies; jamesdettmer; money; moneylaundering; propaganda; sunsetonbritian; tothelastukenazi; tothelastukie; ukenazisgoingdown; ukiecannonfodder; ukraine; winteriscoming
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To: Cronos

Keep the war going , Democrats love the “war chest “ funding. Oh, it costs the blood of Ukrainians? No matter, the grift must go on !

41 posted on 11/19/2022 5:07:57 AM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: Cronos

“It was avoidable.”

You can bet your ass that this war/conflict was avoidable.

Putin isn’t the one who refused to implement the Minsk Accords.
Putin isn’t the one who violated a promise not to expand a military alliance to NATO’s doorstep.
Putin isn’t the one who has spent the last 30 years launching “Regime change” campaigns across the planet.

Ukraine has been a parasitic, deadbeat, failed state for decades.
Now it’s a parasitic, deadbeat, failed state run by a drug-addicted, butch/femme cross dressing, Banderist Jewish midget.
Sean Penn gave Zelenskyyidiot his Oscars, an award given for ACTING. Yeah, says it all, huh ZelenskyyIdiot?!


42 posted on 11/19/2022 5:09:50 AM PST by cranked
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To: tlozo
Thanks for the meme. Did I say NATO was a threat to invade Russia? With tanks, or what did you have in mind?

NATO became a threat when they supported Muslim terrorist separatists.

43 posted on 11/19/2022 5:11:02 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: McCarthysGhost

This shooting war has been ongoing since 2014 when the US and NATO engineered a coup against an elected, pro-Russian Ukrainian government that spawned the separatist movement in the Donbas and the Russian annexation of Crimea. Zelensky campaigned as the “Peace President” to end the war.

Despite the red lines put forth by Russia that it would not allow Ukraine to become part of NATO, we pushed forward with that objective including having Ukrainian troops trained by NATO and participating in NATO war exercises. You cannot view the current Russian invasion without viewing it in historical context.


44 posted on 11/19/2022 5:11:17 AM PST by kabar
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To: tlozo

Due to our meddling, Ukraine was not independent. They were all tangled up with our corrupt as hell government and firmly in our camp. If they were actually independent, this war would never have happened.


45 posted on 11/19/2022 5:11:50 AM PST by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: cranked

love it when you’re frustrated LOL


46 posted on 11/19/2022 5:13:29 AM PST by canuck_conservative (20 years of being over target!!!)
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To: McCarthysGhost

That is all the past. There is a war. Ukraine is winning on the battlefield and Russia is being destroyed by the international community.

What was is now irrelevnt


47 posted on 11/19/2022 5:13:59 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: Cronos

48 posted on 11/19/2022 5:14:53 AM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: canuck_conservative

How that Nazi war bond drive coming along in Justin Castro’s Canuckistan, resident of Canuckistan?


49 posted on 11/19/2022 5:15:02 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

Putin is the one losing his ass


50 posted on 11/19/2022 5:16:02 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: bert

“Ukraine is winning on the battlefield and Russia is being destroyed by the international community.”

LMAO.

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#USHasHardlyAnymoreToSendSorryGrifter
#NATOHasHardlyAnymoreToSendSorryGrifter
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Yeah, if that’s #winning, hate to see #losing.......


51 posted on 11/19/2022 5:16:29 AM PST by cranked
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To: bert

“Putin is the one losing his ass”

Do drugs much?


52 posted on 11/19/2022 5:16:58 AM PST by cranked
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To: Cronos

53 posted on 11/19/2022 5:18:11 AM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: Cronos

54 posted on 11/19/2022 5:21:08 AM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: bert
Desperation. Conscription notices handed out in Kherson.
55 posted on 11/19/2022 5:21:30 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1593644013264850944


56 posted on 11/19/2022 5:22:17 AM PST by cranked
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To: Cronos

57 posted on 11/19/2022 5:24:41 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked
Russia is preparing for a second mobilisation, according to rumours spreading among pro-war Russian military bloggers.

The war hawks are talking up the prospect of a second mobilisation taking place in either December or January. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/19/ukraine-news-russia-war-latest-putin-missiles-severodonetsk/

58 posted on 11/19/2022 5:27:43 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Cronos

59 posted on 11/19/2022 5:28:25 AM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: Cronos

This proxy war could not be fought without US assistance. SecDef Austin said the objectives are regime change in Russia and weakening Russia so it is no longer a threat to Europe.

Do you really think there are no US boots on the ground in Ukraine? We are providing real time intelligence to Ukraine using our satellites. We probably have US Intel assets inside Ukraine as advisors and trainers.

We are paying for the operation and pensions of the Ukrainian government. How do you think Ukrainian troops are being paid?

The US can no longer be the world’s policeman. We are broke. Our own country is in peril. We have no strategic interests in Ukraine. We have no treaty obligations to defend Ukraine. Endless wars have weakened the US. Our greatest threat is China.


60 posted on 11/19/2022 5:28:31 AM PST by kabar
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