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The Universe Is Not Locally Real, and the Physics Nobel Prize Winners Proved It
Scientific American ^ | 6th oct2022 | Daniel Garisto

Posted on 10/08/2022 11:31:43 AM PDT by Cronos

One of the more unsettling discoveries in the past half century is that the universe is not locally real. “Real,” meaning that objects have definite properties independent of observation—an apple can be red even when no one is looking; “local” means objects can only be influenced by their surroundings, and any influence cannot travel faster than light. Investigation shows objects are not influenced solely by surroundings and may also lack definite properties prior2 measurement

...pairs of particles are sent off in different directions from a common source, targeted for two observers, Alice and Bob, each stationed at opposite ends of the solar system. Quantum mechanics dictates that it is impossible to know the spin, a quantum property of individual particles prior to measurement. When Alice measures one of her particles, she finds its spin to be either up or down. Her results are random, and yet, when she measures up, she instantly knows Bob’s corresponding particle must be down. .

...But under quantum mechanics, particles are not like socks, and only when measured do they settle on a spin of up or down. This is EPR’s key conundrum: If Alice’s particles lack a spin until measurement, how then when they whiz past Neptune do they know what Bob’s particles will do as they fly out of the solar system in the other direction? Each time Alice measures, she effectively quizzes her particle on what Bob will get if he flips a coin: up, or down? The odds of correctly predicting this even 200 times in a row are 1 in 1060—a number greater than all the atoms in the solar system. Yet despite the billions of kilometers that separate the particle pairs, quantum mechanics says Alice’s particles can keep correctly predicting, as though they were telepathically connected to Bob’s particles.

(Excerpt) Read more at scientificamerican.com ...


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To: mdmathis6

‘they should clarified his omnipresence to include the fact that he is Omnichronological...present in all places and permanently present across all time...past present and future.’

and this you can prove...?


61 posted on 10/08/2022 4:12:12 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: I want the USA back

Have you heard “Assume a spherical horse.”?


62 posted on 10/08/2022 4:50:22 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK

https://www.amazon.com/Consider-Spherical-Cow-Environmental-Problem/dp/093570258X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=240A7K27JJAJT&keywords=consider+a+spherical+cow&qid=1665273082&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjc2IiwicXNhIjoiMC40MSIsInFzcCI6IjAuMzgifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=Spherical+cow%2Caps%2C158&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18ed3cb5-28d5-4975-8bc7-93deae8f9840


63 posted on 10/08/2022 4:52:02 PM PDT by Reily
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To: mdmathis6
we are NOT NEEDED to be observers of a given object to establish the reality of it being

This deserves some serious amplification. Well said!

64 posted on 10/08/2022 4:53:32 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Cronos

This is how the communist mind works;) Seriously, it takes someone without a though of their own to understand this BS.


65 posted on 10/08/2022 6:31:11 PM PDT by Jumper ( )
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To: Cronos

[snip] As a person who has devoted a whole life to the most clear headed science , to the study of matter , I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much:

There is no matter as such.

All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together.

We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind . This mind is the matrix of all matter. [snip] — Max Planck, 1944

https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv13833125


66 posted on 10/08/2022 8:17:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Drew68

I’ve always thought that this is why we have never — to our knowledge —received radio communications from an advanced civilization. Radio is simply an inefficient and too slow method of communication, one which is swiftly abandoned as quantum technology progresses.


67 posted on 10/08/2022 9:26:57 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: SuperLuminal

I canceled my subscription in 1973, when they turned into POLITICAL CRAP!


68 posted on 10/08/2022 10:50:03 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: BitWielder1

You mean kinda like CLIMATE MODELS?


69 posted on 10/08/2022 10:52:28 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

“Can I buy some pot from you?”


70 posted on 10/08/2022 10:53:39 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: 5th MEB

Only got it set up so I could use it for FR contributions...
Done % Done...


71 posted on 10/08/2022 11:52:58 PM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: PIF

Try Zeno’s Paradox ...


72 posted on 10/09/2022 2:19:20 AM PDT by jamaksin ( )
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To: Brilliant
The Universe Is Not Locally Real...


Mine is.

73 posted on 10/09/2022 5:32:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
...an apple can be red even when no one is looking;

Only if light contains the part of the visible spectrum that we humans have defined as 'red'.

Granny Smith is BLACK in the dark.

74 posted on 10/09/2022 5:34:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SuperLuminal

Me too!!

They lost me in the 80’s


75 posted on 10/09/2022 5:34:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PUGACHEV

“Radio is simply an inefficient and too slow method of communication, one which is swiftly abandoned as quantum technology progresses.”

There is a simpler explanation.

Any race dumb enough to announce their location with radio waves were quickly wiped out by a superior civilization.

Oops!


76 posted on 10/09/2022 5:44:46 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: Elsie

Outside of a dog; a book is man’s best friend.

Inside of a dog; it’s too dark to read.


77 posted on 10/09/2022 11:13:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cgbg

indeed!

Nits make lice.

78 posted on 10/09/2022 11:14:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SouthernClaire

Colossians 1:17
He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the gleaming brightness of God’s glory. He is the exact likeness of God’s being. He uses his powerful word to hold all things together.


79 posted on 10/09/2022 11:16:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: IrishBrigade

It’s a stated opinion. Proof of tautological arguments is a subjective issue.

When the Omnipresence of God is discussed, I’ve observed that there is often little weight applied to God as being present in what we call...past, present, and future all at once..but Christ himself speaks of self existing in a present tense before Abraham ever lived. he said...”Before Abraham...I AM!” he calls himself “Alpha and Omega, the first and Last” in the book of Revelation. Those examples are a part of what I am basing “my opinion”. I bring up the notion of God’s “nowness” because I believe such chronological considerations may lead to bridging the divide between those who view themselves as principled calvinists and those who cling to the Arminian side of the Orthodoxical disagreements.

As I said...my stated opinion only... Paul in Acts 17 points to all of us existing in Him...”In him we live and move and have our being”. The prophets taught...”A day to the Lord is like a thousand years”...essentially to God..Time is nothing!

Thus the basis of my opinion...which is subject to change as God reveals....or boxes my ears!


80 posted on 10/09/2022 12:57:10 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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