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To: marcusmaximus

Looks like the Neocons about to get the war they dreamed of. Probably wasn’t too smart to be promising M-1 Tanks to Ukraine - red line crossed.


4 posted on 09/20/2022 9:51:39 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 44 degrees)
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To: BobL

Tell your Putin to leave Ukraine.


5 posted on 09/20/2022 9:53:01 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: BobL

Looks like the Neocons about to get the war they dreamed of. Probably wasn’t too smart to be promising M-1 Tanks to Ukraine - red line crossed.


So the US deserves to get nuked now by Russia?


15 posted on 09/20/2022 9:59:54 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: BobL

The 12-14 Billion the Democrats and Republicans are about to agree is nothing but a down payment if this keeps going.

Russia may lose this war, I doubt we see Russia admitting defeat and leaving Ukraine, they will have to be driven out and I’m not sure without US help Ukraine can do that.


26 posted on 09/20/2022 10:02:58 AM PDT by srmanuel (C)
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To: BobL

“Looks like the Neocons about to get the war they dreamed of.”

Nice try, Sparky.

This move by Putin was always in the works if Ukraine didn’t surrender and allow itself to be subjugated by Russia.

But Ukrainians know what it’s like to be under the Russian boot, and they want no part of it.

There has been bad blood between the Russians and Ukrainians for generations, more so because of the Holodomor (which, I have to assume you’ve never heard of, because on another thread you said there was no history of Russia starving Ukrainians; and don’t try to trot out the excuse that it was the Soviet Union that did that: Russia WAS the Soviet Union, because it called all the shots from Moscow).


40 posted on 09/20/2022 10:13:11 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: BobL
Looks like the Neocons about to get the war they dreamed of.

So Russia invades Ukraine and then seeks to annex its territory but the "Neocons" are responsible? I guess rape victims are also responsible for being raped and for being beaten-up for resisting. That is a strange set of values that your are advocating.

53 posted on 09/20/2022 10:22:01 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: BobL

Russia is working on a treaty with China.

Ig that happens, things will really get hot.


95 posted on 09/20/2022 10:44:45 AM PDT by MNDude (Once you remove "they would never" from your vocabulary, it all begins to make sense)
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To: BobL
Looks like the Neocons about to get the war they dreamed of.

No, he's trying to get the rest of the Western powers to back off, for fear he might do something desperate, which he's not going to do.

121 posted on 09/20/2022 10:52:49 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: BobL

This all can be blamed on the steal in 2020.🙄


132 posted on 09/20/2022 10:56:47 AM PDT by BiteYourSelf ( Earth first, we'll strip mine the other planets later.)
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To: BobL
Looks like the Neocons about to get the war they dreamed of.

More likely Putin doesn't survive to the end of the year.

188 posted on 09/20/2022 11:28:53 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: BobL; kiryandil; Travis McGee; mac_truck; Kazan; cranked; Allegra

What a total omission of facts of the circumstance report

What we’ve come to expect from western media on anything basically but especially this conflict

For those of us here who follow:

The west
Fairly objective war news aggregators
Russian sources which shamefully are more forthcoming than western fabrications and lies and at best facts back page two weeks late

We here learned today the following which is simply what we’ve learned right or wrong Putin intentions despite western usual refusal to report

After the big non aligned summit a few days ago where we are told China turkey and India offered no opposition

Russia intends to hold referendums in occupied Donbas next few days declaring they desire to be Russian federation

It will of course pass

Russian Duma will vote and pass of course

Then Putin will do publicity blitz and approve it

Then Russia will go to full Russian army force into conflict rather than DPR LPR Wagner Chechen Belorussian etc militias or contractors to bring this to an end

What western border they end up who knows

Broad Donbas or Donetsk Luhansk ?

Odessa

No clue but I doubt it’s occupy Ukraine since the conflict has been nearly all Donbas

It’s a top down and bottom up strategy

Kremlin wants this always has since Minsk which they west spayed or ignored

Donbas separatists want more help and get it over with and we’ll see

Luhansk and Donetsk are mostly occupied with pockets of ukrop resistance

The formerly called Donbas oblasts Kherson and Kharkiv areas who knows

The Kharkiv retreat which folks can argue the nuance of contributed too I think

Anyhow no question this is coming

It’s public and if folks here bothered to read past western propaganda they would know

How it resolves who knows but it’s going to make ukrop already tenuous position harder

I hope it brings resolution and I know it’s a cliche

Peace

Peace that should have been dealt with in 2014

Argue and name call away

This are simply facts about what Putin is going to do

These referendums will give him a reason to apply full Russian military


216 posted on 09/20/2022 12:01:22 PM PDT by wardaddy (Sound and Fury Republic)
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To: BobL

Biden promised to us US ground forces to defend Taiwan, not just Naval ones.


286 posted on 09/20/2022 2:12:09 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: BobL

Send their kids to sue for this insanity.


307 posted on 09/20/2022 3:03:44 PM PDT by Shady (The #JihadJunta: "We are now a nation of Men, Not of Laws. You are not as equal as we are...")
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To: BobL

Oh, yeah. It’s all the West’s fault for helping them, or Ukraine’s fault for wanting to defend themselves. But he said “neocon,” so that proves Putin’s the good guy.

Choice bit of Herman Wouk here. I’ll have to look it up.


313 posted on 09/20/2022 3:10:11 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (All Hail the MAGA King, beloved of Ultra MAGAs and Deplorables!)
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To: BobL

Once they are annexed, Russia territory may be defended by a declaration of war - and then Putin sends in the actual Russian Army, rather than the conscripted forces in the Special Operation. Russia was constrainted by the Russian Special Operation that did not permit actual regualr Military units from the fight. This annexation will be denied by the Ukraine, and then there will what Putin will cal WAR.


364 posted on 09/20/2022 4:44:16 PM PDT by Jumper ( )
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To: BobL

Just imagine the emergency powers decrees by US politicians in the event of all out war with Russia. Goodbye constitution.


437 posted on 09/21/2022 8:41:00 AM PDT by Revel
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