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To: BobL; kiryandil; Travis McGee; mac_truck; Kazan; cranked; Allegra

What a total omission of facts of the circumstance report

What we’ve come to expect from western media on anything basically but especially this conflict

For those of us here who follow:

The west
Fairly objective war news aggregators
Russian sources which shamefully are more forthcoming than western fabrications and lies and at best facts back page two weeks late

We here learned today the following which is simply what we’ve learned right or wrong Putin intentions despite western usual refusal to report

After the big non aligned summit a few days ago where we are told China turkey and India offered no opposition

Russia intends to hold referendums in occupied Donbas next few days declaring they desire to be Russian federation

It will of course pass

Russian Duma will vote and pass of course

Then Putin will do publicity blitz and approve it

Then Russia will go to full Russian army force into conflict rather than DPR LPR Wagner Chechen Belorussian etc militias or contractors to bring this to an end

What western border they end up who knows

Broad Donbas or Donetsk Luhansk ?

Odessa

No clue but I doubt it’s occupy Ukraine since the conflict has been nearly all Donbas

It’s a top down and bottom up strategy

Kremlin wants this always has since Minsk which they west spayed or ignored

Donbas separatists want more help and get it over with and we’ll see

Luhansk and Donetsk are mostly occupied with pockets of ukrop resistance

The formerly called Donbas oblasts Kherson and Kharkiv areas who knows

The Kharkiv retreat which folks can argue the nuance of contributed too I think

Anyhow no question this is coming

It’s public and if folks here bothered to read past western propaganda they would know

How it resolves who knows but it’s going to make ukrop already tenuous position harder

I hope it brings resolution and I know it’s a cliche

Peace

Peace that should have been dealt with in 2014

Argue and name call away

This are simply facts about what Putin is going to do

These referendums will give him a reason to apply full Russian military


216 posted on 09/20/2022 12:01:22 PM PDT by wardaddy (Sound and Fury Republic)
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To: BobL; kiryandil; Travis McGee; mac_truck; Kazan; Allegra; cranked

I just heard on The Urban on rumble

Referendums to be held in Donetsk Luhansk Kherson and “zobrahjev”

No clue how to spell last

I just hear folks speak of it

These referendums are irreversible politically from Russian side

Western media will go crazy

Maybe or ignore it who can say

If actual Russian army does indeed take over

Western media won’t have to change a thing

I’ve yet to see any claim Russian allies are 90% not Russian regulars


222 posted on 09/20/2022 12:08:09 PM PDT by wardaddy (Sound and Fury Republic)
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To: wardaddy

“Peace that should have been dealt with in 2014”

Agree, but 2014 was just used by the Neocons to get the Russians out of Ukraine, so that they could build up the Ukrainian military. The Neocons NEVER intended to carry through with the agreement, and that’s why Putin will not believe a thing the West says at this point.

Russia will achieve its goals in Ukraine, and then the fighting will be over. The only question for the Neocons is whether they’re going to start WW3 over it.


229 posted on 09/20/2022 12:13:25 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 44 degrees)
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To: wardaddy

the point of the referendums is to make conscripted Russians fight in those Oblasts. As it stands now, conscripts can legally refuse to fight outside of Russia. This will solve Pootie’s manpower problem on paper, but conscripts are no substitute for well trained, motivated and spirited troops - troops of which he might have 10,000 remaining scattered in various configurations of AD and ND units.

This is sheer desperation.


262 posted on 09/20/2022 1:11:24 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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