Also… Some of y’all can quit making Liz Cheney your damn freedom fighter right now
https://t.co/KFX15uegvm
— Atima Omara (@atima_omara) June 24, 2022
Posted on 06/25/2022 9:10:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Short answer: Of course not. Neither Kavanaugh nor any other justice would pledge privately to rule a particular way in a future case. To do so would be unethical.
…although Kavanaugh did pledge *publicly* to rule a particular way in certain future cases in yesterday’s Dobbs concurrence.
Longer answer: If this NYT story is accurate, he strongly implied to Collins that he wouldn’t dump Roe. “Lie” is too strong a word, but you can understand why she feels misled.
Jazz has a post coming up about the political predicament in which Collins now finds herself. She’s one of two pro-choice Republicans left in the Senate but she voted to confirm Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch despite the likelihood that each would vote to overturn Roe. When the left challenged her on those votes, Collins answered that she was confident they would uphold precedent, citing statements they made publicly and privately. You’re either a liar or a sucker, the left replied.
After yesterday’s ruling, she’s now forced to explain whether she’s a liar or a sucker.
“She’s a sucker, not a liar,” her staff is suggesting this morning, leaking notes of her private meeting with Kavanaugh before he was confirmed in 2018 to prove that she was deceived.
During a two-hour meeting in her Senate office with the Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh on Aug. 21, 2018, Senator Susan Collins of Maine pressed him hard on why she should trust him not to overturn Roe v. Wade if she backed his confirmation…
“Start with my record, my respect for precedent, my belief that it is rooted in the Constitution, and my commitment and its importance to the rule of law,” he said, according to contemporaneous notes kept by multiple staff members in the meeting. “I understand precedent and I understand the importance of overturning it.”
“Roe is 45 years old, it has been reaffirmed many times, lots of people care about it a great deal, and I’ve tried to demonstrate I understand real-world consequences,” he continued, according to the notes, adding: “I am a don’t-rock-the-boat kind of judge. I believe in stability and in the Team of Nine.”
One problem in trusting this account is that it’s self-serving, based on material from Collins’s own office that’s only now being shared when she’s in a tough spot. How much do we trust those notes to reflect accurately what Kavanaugh (and Collins) said at the time?
Specifically, how much do we trust them not to have omitted key bits of what Kavanaugh told her? I can believe that he told her he respects precedent and wouldn’t lightly overturn it. But did he also remind her that certain egregious precedents, like Plessy v. Ferguson, were rightly overturned decades after they were decided because the Court has a duty to correct major injustices? Every judge in America respects precedent broadly speaking, yet every judge in America has specific precedents they’d love to see overruled.
If and when a left-leaning Supreme Court comes for Dobbs, stare decisis won’t give them any pause, I promise.
Having said that, though, if Kavanaugh really did reply to specific questions from Collins about Roe with “I am a don’t-rock-the-boat kind of judge,” that’s … pretty misleading. Particularly since the question before the Court yesterday didn’t require them to fully overrule Roe. Kav could have joined Roberts by limiting Roe instead of overturning it, upholding 15-week abortion bans without addressing (yet) whether a total ban on abortion is constitutional.
So maybe Collins isn’t a liar, just a sucker who was lied to. I’ll be curious to see how she votes on the next Republican nominee for the Court down the road.
Speaking of pro-choicers who are disillusioned by an ally’s position on Dobbs, I got a kick out of this Mediaite piece about the left’s Strange New Respect for Liz Cheney fading after she endorsed yesterday’s ruling.
I have always been strongly pro-life. Today’s ruling by the Supreme Court returns power to the states and the people of the states to address the issue of abortion under state law.
— Rep. Liz Cheney (@RepLizCheney) June 24, 2022
Trying to save democracy from Trump and his authoritarian goons just isn’t enough, it appears:
just when i started to admire u …
— ROSIE (@Rosie) June 24, 2022
Liz Cheney wants you to carry your rapists child to term.
Liz Cheney does not care if you were raped by a family member. You will deliver that child.
Your body is not yours.
It belongs to the Republican party.
See your "freedom" and "democracy" hero below. https://t.co/IfFdRDV99A
— Don Winslow (@donwinslow) June 24, 2022
Also… Some of y’all can quit making Liz Cheney your damn freedom fighter right now
https://t.co/KFX15uegvm— Atima Omara (@atima_omara) June 24, 2022
Heh. It *is* a little surprising that she didn’t bite her lip about the decision, now that she’s aggressively campaigning for Democratic votes back home. Presumably she thought she needed to say something to remind centrist Republicans in Wyoming that she’s still with them on policy to counter the MAGA propaganda that she’s a RINO. She’s trying to walk an electoral tightrope in which speaking out against Trump brings in the lefties and speaking out in support of the conservative agenda brings in the righties, hypothetically forming a winning coalition in her primary.
Although … she’s not quite in lockstep with the conservative agenda in all particulars. Behold the list of House Republicans who voted in favor of the Senate gun bill:
14 YES GOP VOTES:
Liz Cheney
Adam Kinzinger
Tom Rice
John Katko
Maria Salazar
Chris Jacobs
Brian Fitzpatrick
Peter Meijer
Fred Upton
Steve Chabot
Mike Turner
David Joyce
Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio
Tony Gonzalez of Texas— Daniella Diaz (@DaniellaMicaela) June 24, 2022
I joked about Cheney voting in favor of the bill a few days ago, never believing that she’d do it. She did. Having cover from John Cornyn and 14 other Senate Republicans makes it easier for her to argue to Wyoming Republicans that her vote was well within the conservative mainstream — in theory. In practice, her GOP bona fides are already under such deep suspicion on the right that her gun vote will become just another reason to oust her in her primary.
I’ll leave you with Bill Maher grudgingly tipping his cap to conservatives for never giving up and eventually succeeding on a 50-year mission to remake the Court.
If you're keeping score, it's Guns-1, Women-0.
Welcome to right-wing America, where if you’re going to end a young life, you’re going to have to shoot them.
Watch @BillMaher discuss #RoeVsWade and more in his Real Time monologue: pic.twitter.com/M1tynzRc2S
— Real Time with Bill Maher (@RealTimers) June 25, 2022
Ummm… can’t we say he “evolved,” like Obama evolved on gay marriage?
Nobody cares what Collins thinks. She will be too old to run again.
I bet ol Ketanji has had a few “ho” episodes in her life
Exactly. At the time they didn’t have any cases before them on the issue. You can’t say how you would rule on a issue until that particular issue is presented to the court and base a decision on what facts and arguments are presented.
Her ONLY thought is CYA. A rino is still a republican to the blue states and no republican will ever woo the vote of a democrat. Her only chance was to garner help from the swing voter set but who knows which side of the abortion fence they stand on. She’s taking a guess and hoping she guesses right. Just my take.
“ I noticed cspan is re airing their Roe q and A from the nominations hearings.”
This is what they’ve got. Nothing. Leftists have used abortion as a campaign issue for more than 50 years. They’ve corralled their voters around the national elections.
Now leftist voters have nothing. They don’t have a clue how to argue and if they did, they’d have nothing. The USSC just overturned Roe V Wade. Not one report of a pro life protester threatening violence
A clean vote by the senior members
The opposition will now try everything and anything. The media going back to confirmation hearings to what? Overturn a justice’s legitimacy. The pretend Republican Susan Collins whining about kavanaugh?
Cspan coming out as leftist
Conservatives are going to be well advised to take the win
The left is weak here
Susan Collins wailing like the wicked witch of the west
She’s melting
Rinos have been put into power for decades over their pretend hint of a promise to overturn roe.
Republicans have had the power to overturn roe for five decades they hang it over their constituency to get in, they drop the issue then they do it over again.
She’ll have nothing to promise. Now it won’t matter to her voters if she gets in or not. They may as well vote for a dem. She’s out.
Ditto cornyn, speaking as a Texan.
The newest addition to the SC outright lied about not knowing what a woman was. She should’ve been disqualified by every senator on that alone and disbarred to boot. All of these shrieking biological women should’ve been shrieking about someone who so obviously threw biology and womanhood out the window.
feh, he said RvW was settled law, he dint say it was wasn’t challengeable or correct or he agreed with it...
honestly, I dont care if he did. If the left doesn’t like it, they can try to impeach him ..
LMAO
good luck with that!
Every leftist judge EVER has been a political HACK!!!
If this NYT story is accurate …Srsly, Allah’s Pundit? Asking if a New York Slimes screed is “accurate”?? Your TDS will push you that far over the edge, comrade?
Collins,et al who are now saying “they lied to me” are liars themselves. It has been long standing policy that no Senator is allowed to ask “litmus test” questions like this - on many issues. The reason is that a justice cannot/should not opine about how they’d rule on a case not before them.
Don’t care what he told Collins, she’s an enemy to the Republic.
oh FFS this is totaly bogus- Manchin & his pet Collins on a leash
there is no credibility in Manchin & Collins and what little credibility Manchin has had its now down the drainpipe.
He doesnt seem to realize Manchin’ s West Virginia & Collins and the State of Maine
have nothing in absolute communion with each other.
Collins ALWAYS VOTES DEM
Manchin is a dem, too but will do anything to save its party soul.
Manchin is a DEM as we well know but
aligning with her is one of the stupidess idiotic decision ive ever heard of.
These people in WashDC are a shakey & shadey bunch
Susan Collins lied to all of her constituents when she ran for Senator telling EVERYONE she would only serve 2 terms, so Susan I would shut my pinhole if I were you’ aside from the fact you have been LYING for decades saying you were a Republican which is LAUGHABLE!!!
I agree. A “say anything” RINO candidate (and now, long-term Senator).
I still remember how vehemently pathetic Arlen Specter was when he didn’t get a win in the primary that threw him out.
Nope he didnt... It would be stupid to say you were going to decide Roe either way.
they would uphold precedent, >>>> They did uphold precedent. The correct precedent of 150 years that allows states to make laws and the federal government mind its own enumerated powers business and stay out of the states business.
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