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PETER HITCHENS: The USA wants this war... so it can drive Russia back to the Stone Age
Daily Mail ^ | April 2, 2022 | Peter Hitchens

Posted on 04/02/2022 5:17:31 PM PDT by Angelino97

This is not a war between Ukraine and Russia. It is a war between the USA and Russia, in which both sides are cynically using Ukraine as a battering ram.

The people of Ukraine will gain nothing and lose much from being treated in this way. They fight and die or lose their homes and flee. We pour in more weapons and shout encouragement from a safe distance. Russia wrecks the joint. ...

I am sorry to say that there are people in the USA who will not be sad if this war drags on.

A ‘senior diplomat’ was quoted on Friday, by a commentator with ready access to the great and the good, as saying: ‘If you look at all the options, our strategic interest is probably best served in a long war, a quagmire that drains Putin militarily and economically so he cannot do this again.’

This is no doubt true. Since the American neo-conservative politician Paul Wolfowitz set out his ‘doctrine’ in 1992, Washington has wanted to crush any revival of Russian power. The flaw with this scheme is that it was, in fact, China that was the threat, not Russia. But there you are. Mr Wolfowitz, a keen backer of the disastrous Iraq war, is not as clever as he thinks he is.

It is this policy which explains the otherwise mad expansion of Nato, against the warnings of every qualified expert in the world. It also explains the taunting of Russia by President George W. Bush’s 2008 suggestion that Ukraine should actually join Nato.

This came just a year after Vladimir Putin, still more or less open to reason, said very clearly that he’d had enough and that Nato expansion should stop.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: china; economy; fertilizer; fertilzer; food; fuel; gas; globalists; inflation; neocons; oil; price; prices; putin; russia; russian; russians; ukraine; war
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Neocons want to supply Ukraine just enough to keep the war going, but not enough to win.

Russia might have been our friend, had we treated Russia in 1991 the same way we treated Germany in 1945.

1 posted on 04/02/2022 5:17:31 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97
'we treated Russia in 1991 the same way we treated Germany in 1945. '

Germany had total surrender; with reparations. Is that what people wanted in 1991?

2 posted on 04/02/2022 5:20:26 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Angelino97
We know Russia is weak and floundering.

ATTACK!


3 posted on 04/02/2022 5:21:47 PM PDT by Delta 21 (It started as a virus, and mutated into an IQ test.)
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To: Angelino97
Since the American neo-conservative politician Paul Wolfowitz set out his ‘doctrine’ in 1992, Washington has wanted to crush any revival of Russian power.

This is his Project for a New American Century, a blueprint that Dick Cheney was prominent in drafting.

4 posted on 04/02/2022 5:24:52 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: Angelino97

Everybody who is in power wants to stay in power, and not a one of them gives one hoot about the people who are affected, as long as they remain in power. This goes for Putin, Zelensky, Burden, every Democrat in Congress, every Republican in Congress, and it holds true for your local school board, sheriff, or town council member, too.


5 posted on 04/02/2022 5:27:24 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I wish “smart resume” would work for the real world so I could FF through the Biden admin BS.)
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To: Angelino97

The United States should have never invaded Ukraine!

Oh, wait...


6 posted on 04/02/2022 5:27:29 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: Angelino97

Nope.

Russians and Germans are not the same.

Just because the wall fell doesnt mean all the communists went away and embraced different ideology.

Theres plenty still there and even Gorby is still a communist as the Green Cross is a socialist front organization.


7 posted on 04/02/2022 5:28:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Angelino97

Does the article itself make the ludicrous assertion about driving Russia back to the Stone Age or just the headline?


8 posted on 04/02/2022 5:28:45 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Angelino97
George Soros wants this war as part of his plan to take over the world.
9 posted on 04/02/2022 5:32:42 PM PDT by McGruff (Biden - There's going to be a new world order out there and we've got to lead it)
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To: Delta 21

We want to put pressure on oil/gas prices so we can sell people or should I say, drag them kicking and screaming into the green age.

The last president talked about energy independence and got out of the way of the economics behind the effort. The new jackass’s puppets tell him he has to go green, so step one is to raise the prices of the cheap effective current option.

And the Ukrainians either flee or die.


10 posted on 04/02/2022 5:33:03 PM PDT by SteelPSUGOP
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To: JonPreston

Good information, thanks.

I’ve also heard that Biden is so weak and stupid, Russia can lob nukes at our east coast and China at our west and wipe out millions of people. Fallout could wreck farmland in between. Bye-bye USA. Hopefully not good info.


11 posted on 04/02/2022 5:34:45 PM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness offends me)
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To: Angelino97

Russia can stop this war at any time.


12 posted on 04/02/2022 5:34:55 PM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength. )
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To: Angelino97

Russia was never going to be our friend after Putin took power. But we could be at peace if not for the Democrats AKA deep state. Trump had this mostly under control but was sabotaged on all fronts. Horrible tragedy.


13 posted on 04/02/2022 5:35:25 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: rrrod

LOL, our “friend.”


14 posted on 04/02/2022 5:36:58 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman.)
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To: Veto!

I hope they do realize that if they start lobbing nukes, the powers that be like Soros and Schwartz won’t HAVE anyone to rule in their Great Reset, because within a year or so, everyone will be DEAD from radiation.

Anyone who wants a nuke war, OR believes that’s it’s survivable, much less winnable, is stark, raving insane and does NOT belong in a position of power. ANYWHERE


15 posted on 04/02/2022 5:43:46 PM PDT by hoagy62 (DTCM&OTTH)
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To: McGruff

Your “Dr Evil” bogey man is 91....only thing he is taking over these days is his pudding cup.


16 posted on 04/02/2022 5:45:20 PM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: Angelino97

Putin is a monster, but the Russian people are not monsters, so the Russian people should not pay for Putin’s sins.

Russophobia is a bizarre poison pushed by warmongering globalists.

Driving Russia away from The West drives Russia further and further into the deadly embrace of China.

That accelerates the problem of the growing power of China.

Imagine China with control over Russian land and Russian natural resources.

That would basically redefine the word superpower.

Meanwhile, The West’s idiotic economic war against Russia is damaging what needs to be a free flow of fuel, fertilizer, and food between countries of European heritage in the Northern Hemisphere.

That free flow of fuel, fertilizer, and food is necessary for humanitarian reasons and for economic reasons, including fighting against inflation, and also for economically disempowering terrorist countries of the Middle East.


17 posted on 04/02/2022 5:47:39 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: Angelino97

It is never good for one country to invade another country. Putin invaded Ukraine, and that was bad.

But people should make no mistake: Biden wants this. Biden wants a wider war. This is not Biden siding with Ukraine to stop Putin The Bad Guy. This is Putin the Bad Guy making Joe Biden very, very happy.

WWI would not have happened if the world had told Austo-Hungary: “Sorry Bosnia killed your Archduke. But we’re not getting involved.”

WWIII (or whatever number you please) wouldn’t happen if the world had told Ukraine: “Sorry Putin is a jerk. But we’re not getting involved.”


18 posted on 04/02/2022 5:50:02 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's hard to "Believe all women" when judges say "I don't know what a woman is".)
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To: Angelino97

Uh? We treated Germany by having it divided under the Soviets? Is that what you want for Russia ? And Germany was kept down and occupied by several countries. Doh. The Soviet Union’s fall never implied getting rid of the Soviet deep state and Denazification


19 posted on 04/02/2022 5:54:49 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hates:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: hoagy62

One would hope. Does senile rank as stark raving, insane?


20 posted on 04/02/2022 5:56:32 PM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness offends me)
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