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Trump claims ex-VP Mike Pence had power to overturn election
NY Daily News ^ | 01/31/2022 | Dave Goldiner

Posted on 01/31/2022 8:57:29 AM PST by sam_whiskey

Meet Donald Trump, the constitutional scholar.

The twice-impeached former president is claiming that the bipartisan effort to reform the Electoral Count Act of 1887 proves that ex-Vice President Mike Pence had the legal right to overturn the results of the 2020 election that Trump lost.

“If the Vice President (Mike Pence) had “absolutely no right” to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate ... how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election?” Trump asked.

Without providing any facts or legal precedent, Trump suggested the effort to clarify the 135-year-old statute means Pence would have been within his rights to reject the results of the electoral votes cast by the states on Jan. 6, 2021.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2020; 30pence; 30shekels; biglie; donaldtrump; mikepence; pence; thebiglie; trump
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1 posted on 01/31/2022 8:57:29 AM PST by sam_whiskey
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To: sam_whiskey

Rejecting results and refusing to certify them was absolutely within Pence’s authority when he certified the Electoral Votes.

But that does not OVERTURN the election, it puts it under a higher level of scrutiny in order to be certified.


2 posted on 01/31/2022 9:00:10 AM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: sam_whiskey

Just another rant from a dedicated never Trumper.


3 posted on 01/31/2022 9:00:29 AM PST by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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4 posted on 01/31/2022 9:01:35 AM PST by AnthonySoprano (‘’)
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To: sam_whiskey

He did.

Note that both the Democrats and Republicans are looking into writing a law to disallow that going forward.

If they need a law… it was legal.
(And, in fact, was attempted by Democrats in 2016 and 2004…. But don’t let the propaganda convince ya!)


5 posted on 01/31/2022 9:01:43 AM PST by Skywise
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To: MercyFlush

He had no such authority. And his job was to read them into the record...nothing more.


6 posted on 01/31/2022 9:03:05 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: sam_whiskey

He had the power to question some of the certifications. That is far different than overturning.


7 posted on 01/31/2022 9:03:13 AM PST by bray (The Vax is fake and deadly)
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To: sam_whiskey

If, without Pence, the election could NOT have been certified, Trump’s assertion is true. How is it not?


8 posted on 01/31/2022 9:03:33 AM PST by fwdude (If a fraudulent election falls in the woods and no judge is around to hear it, did it fall?)
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To: Skywise

There was an ad campaign in 2016 begging electors to change their votes.


9 posted on 01/31/2022 9:04:14 AM PST by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength. )
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To: MercyFlush
Rejecting results and refusing to certify them was absolutely within Pence’s authority when he certified the Electoral Votes.

No, it was not. That is complete fiction. The office of Vice President has absolutely no such powers, authority, or role under the Constitution nor statute. Other than ruling on parliamentary procedures preceding over the session, he no powers or role other than to see to it they are counted. He "shall" count them. Very clear.

10 posted on 01/31/2022 9:06:26 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: sam_whiskey

“the 2020 election that Trump lost.”

If you’re carjacked you don’t report it as being lost, you report it as being stolen because that’s exactly what happened.


11 posted on 01/31/2022 9:06:35 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: sam_whiskey

Trump neither said nor suggested tgat pence could overturn the election

Trump has not conceded loss in 2020.


12 posted on 01/31/2022 9:07:45 AM PST by stanne
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To: Sacajaweau
He had no such authority. And his job was to read them into the record...nothing more.

Absolutely disagree. The position of "President of the Senate" has discretion, or it would not have been identified as necessary for the process.

The rules for interpreting Constitutional law require that the clauses of the constitution cannot be interpreted as having no effect.

Saying the President of the Senate is a rubber stamp, renders that clause as having no effect.

13 posted on 01/31/2022 9:09:12 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Sacajaweau

Correct.

Trump needs to quit listening to whoever is feeding him this garbage. The Vice President has no such power, role, or authority. Never has. Even if theoretically the Vice President could do such a thing on his/her own motion, a member at the joint session could simply say “I appeal the ruling of the chair” and it would be voted down and that would be the end of that rather quickly.


14 posted on 01/31/2022 9:09:51 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: sam_whiskey

Trump has been correct about almost everything. The media called him a liar, but history has proven him correct on the majority of the calls. Covid=Wuhan lab. HCQ and Ivermectin=trials demonstrate effective. Biden and Putin. Biden and the gas pipelines. Biden and mandates. BLM at the Democrats. Government traitors. Election manipulations. How to fix the economy. New trade deals. Biden a crook, and in on with his son. Biden and China. Pedophile problems. The drug trade and borders. The sex trade and borders. The plot to destroy him with fake dossier. The plot to show that he shuffled illegal money. The plot to say he did illegal tax stuff....

Need I go on.

Truth is, Trump was a mean tweeter. He also managed to pick some traitors people to work for him....and that is a character problem that I fear the most if he ever takes office again.


15 posted on 01/31/2022 9:09:56 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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To: sam_whiskey

There was no legitimate election to overturn.


16 posted on 01/31/2022 9:10:33 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (No nation that sanctions the wholesale slaughter of its unborn citizens is fit to endure.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

He has discretionary power or the Constitution would not have specified that office. To treat the “president of the Senate” as rubber stamp renders that clause of the constitution as having no effect.


17 posted on 01/31/2022 9:11:03 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The Constitution does indeed clearly define the role and powers and does not grant the Vice President any such authority.


18 posted on 01/31/2022 9:11:10 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: bray
He had the power to question some of the certifications.

Where was that authority given him?

19 posted on 01/31/2022 9:11:34 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Republican Wildcat

“He “shall” count them. Very clear.”

“Shall not be infringed” is also in that old and yellowed rag.

But they seem to avoid that all the time.

If it required an action, then it also allowed for an in-action. If Zero Future Mike didn’t, then something else could have occured.


20 posted on 01/31/2022 9:13:17 AM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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