Alternatives to GOP: what are the options (with a view towards election success by 2024)?

original to Free Republic | Jan 17, 2021 | Peter O'Donnell

[JBW1949]

“...Seventy million people voted for Trump and you think we need a new party?...”

What we need is a fair and honest election system...

[William Tell]

”Don’t vote, or vote against Republicans.”

This was recommended by some in the Georgia Senate runoffs. What a disaster that was for us.

One article I read claimed that half a million Republicans didn’t bother to vote. The road ahead was going to be hard enough with a Republican Senate. Now we have to worry about AOC on the Supreme Court.

[stockpirate]

Without the vote fraud being completly removed Republicans are toast and a third party isn’t vosble at all.

[RC one]

They have cut our internet communications. Where it isn't cut, it is controlled and threatened. We need an underground newspaper.

The Tea party was born in February, 2009 when Barack Obama and the Democrats controlled both chambers of the legislature, the whitehouse and the supreme court and in two years time, they grew powerful enough to take that House of representatives away from the Democrats. We can do it again but we need reliable nationwide communications and they have taken that from us to prevent us from rising up again.

We need an underground newspaper in every major city of every major state and we need to have an AM/FM radio presence.

[Pajamajan]

There are no political parties. There is no voting. We are all slaves.

The only "postive" if you can call it that, is we found out the majority of Republicans are cheating, low life, on the take, globalist, scum, just like the democrats.

[Peter ODonnell]

New parties have come along before. Where are the Whigs now? The Know Nothing Whigs? The Progressives? The Liberal Republicans? They all changed into other things or were sucked out into other alternatives.

I understand the cynicism about voting in general, but the Republican Party as presently constituted has taken a weak and ambivalent stand against voter fraud.

Saying that eventually the Trump faction will win out within the GOP ignores the phenomenon that the McConnells, Ryans and Romneys of that party continue to call most of the shots and it was easily demonstrable from experience in 2017-2020 that the GOP even in majority situations would try to frustrate their base and the base's champion (Donald Trump). But if the party reinvents itself under a different name with an executive that totally supports Donald Trump or successor, then you're likely to attract only pro-Trump candidates for Senate and House (and state politcs).

It is a continuation of a political party under a new name, and perhaps one that emphasizes the key concepts of freedom and responsibility more.

To my mind, a Republican voter is one thing but a Republican politician is often a disguised go-slow globalist, in politics for the same reasons as Democrats, to line their own pockets, attain power and wield it for selfish reasons, and dupe a political base into thinking there's something in it for them beyond participating in meaningless wars against people halfway round the world who will never get along with anybody regardless of how many of them are killed, but the dynamic being that the increase in their anger will outpace the reduction of their numbers.

[T.B. Yoits]

You discover that a roulette table is rigged. How will you make back your losses from the last hour in the next round?

Exactly. We have President Trump to thank for exposing the fraud and the Uniparty behind it.

When votes don't matter, neither do politicians nor those who propagandize for them. We're overdue to walk away completely. There are other sources of power that have nothing to do with such corrupt entities.

[William Tell]

”What we need is a fair and honest election system...”

And we will never get that without a media that is curious about why counting would be halted in the niddle of the night in multiple key states, why Republican observers were barred from observing, and why counting resumed hours later without explanation.

[JBW1949]

That is absolutely correct...Fair and honest elections are a thing of the past...

People can still go vote and feel good about themselves that they “voted”, but it has become obvious that votes mean nothing now...

The system will never be cleaned up because the “professional politicians” who live by it will not allow that to happen....

[Zhang Fei]

Trump attracted the support of a large cohort of minorities

Hispanics are likely to continue migrating over to the GOP because unlike blacks, they want to work. Not just hold down a quota-based sinecure and get paid for doing nothing - actually produce goods and services.

Another issue is the Democrat obsession with letting blacks kill anyone they want with as little legal repercussion as possible. Hispanics live in many of the areas affected by black dysfunction. Ever notice how you never hear of Hispanics getting up in arms over a Hispanic getting killed by a cop while in the process of resisting arrest? That’s because most think criminals should be killed. For instance, Mexico has no death penalty, but popular support for it is higher than in the US.

We legalized illegals in the 80's. They are now voting 60-40 D-R. Italians started arriving en masse in the 1880's. It wasn't until 1970 that they started voting 50-50 for the two parties. We will *never* get the Jewish vote, currently at 80-20 D-R. But that's because Jews, as limo liberals, live in their safe upscale enclaves and never have to deal with black crime and black-run schools with incompetent black teachers and administrators.

Downscale non-black immigrant voters won't be as tolerant of the black impunity being peddled by the Democrats. Unlike Jewish limo liberals, they have to deal with the reality of black dysfunction daily. They are not going to knuckle down to a Democrat party that wants to extend universal samurai privilege to the black community, so they can strike down any non-black peasant without penalty, for showing insufficient respect. In time, they will vote like Italians, for pretty much the same reasons that Italians do, because they can't afford to live in cossetted upscale enclaves.

[G Larry]

What mechanisms are there for defeating a Marxist gov't with Corporate financing and communications control?

May you have ideas for turning China into a Constitutional Republic?

[JBW1949]

See my post #49....

[who_would_fardels_bear]

I don't know if examples from parliamentary systems transfer well to our system. Those systems have multiple parties, the PM is always the head of the party that creates the largest coalition, and governments can fall at any time rather than at set 2 and 4 level intervals. Even if we were able to field a reasonably successful third party, the best strategy might not be to field candidates but endorse one of the candidates from the main two parties in exchange for action on specific issues. I think that if the Blacks created such a party they would actually have more clout with the Dems since they could encourage their members to vote Republican or stay away if the Dems don't agree to certain demands.

With regard to libertarians in some coalition: I think this is big mistake. I think a populist center-right party, even if it wouldn't be that successful, would be much more successful than any coalition with libertarians. I believe that the Tea Party was going strong with their "better government" approach until the libertarians glommed on with their low taxes, open borders, and free market mania.

I see a future for a party that is generally (but not vociferously) socially conservative, for law and order, against immigration & H-1b, pro private sector labor unions, and for fair trade over free trade.

Your examples in Canada where center-right coalitions either drifted left or withered away may suggest that no third party has a chance in the US, but however little there is a chance for a populist party the chance for anything associated with libertarians is even less.

Libertarians may not want to admit it, but their policy prescriptions, at least the ones they can actually get governments to act upon, are perceived as shilling for big corporations. This is the antithesis of what a large percentage of The Trump Train wants to support.

There are a growing number of conservatives who are resigned to the fact that governments will always be huge and taxes will always be with us, but if the budgets are balanced, the borders are protected, we stay out of foreign wars, and they let us live our lives as we see fit then that's OK.

As you mentioned in your essay, populist parties often rise or fall based on the person at the top. Perot was quite successful with his Reform Party until he flaked out. The Reform Party kept going, but Buchanan was not seen as the rightful heir to Perot and so did not do to well.

The advantage of a Trump-led party is that he can be followed by Ivanka, Don Jr, etc. There would be a quasi-monarchy that could keep the party going for decades. Unfortunately Ivanka/Jared seem to be more GOPe than Trump and have more libertarian rather than populist leanings so even then such a party would have a dim future.

If FOX goes dark or is pushed out by Big Tech then maybe a Tucker-led populist party could be successful.

[dfwgator]

Hispanics are likely to continue migrating over to the GOP because unlike blacks, they want to work.

They also understand letting in more illegals, will put downward pressure on their wages. But the problem is the Hispanic politicians know that more Hispanics mean more power for them. There will be a civil war, but the first civil war may very well be blacks vs hispanics.

[T.B. Yoits]

Soap Box - Ballot Box - Jury Box - Ammo Box

The Uniparty went after three of the four Boxes of Liberty; censoring the social media Soap Box, rigging the Ballot Box, and refusing to put the criminal cases against those who rigged the election before the Jury Box.

President Trump got them to throw off their masks and show the world exactly who they are.

[kenmcg]

The RATS have completely destroyed honest and fair voting, that it would be virtually impossible for a Republican to get in. In the next few years the RATS will solidify their hold on mail in, no id, no signature votes. The cowardly corrupt courts along with the KGB/FBI, DOJ and the MSM will insure that Republicans never regain power in the foreseeable future.Its called a third world banana republic!

[meadsjn]

Alternatives to GOP: what are the options (with a view towards election success by 2024)?

This is like people on the Titanic spending their last hour discussing their next cruise plans.

Clueless Idiots.

[CodeToad]

[Peter ODonnell]

To anyone who says a new party cannot gain enough traction to become the main alternative — that has already been disproven in Canadian politics, the problem there was that the leader who emerged then demonstrated that he had hidden his real views and that his actual plan was to go back gradually to the politics of the defeated and now defunct alternative.

That didn’t have to happen, or did it?

Is there some inexorable force or dynamic that makes any center-right political party corrupt, collaborationist and prone to being run by elites, secret power cabals, etc, with populism never able to win out?

With Donald Trump, there was a route towards successful populist government supported by a mainstream party, but that mainstream party more or less reneged on its obligation to support (especially around the events of early January).

These are all hard historical lessons.

To those who say there are non-political solutions, what exactly? A military junta? A theocracy? No government at all? I don’t see any likelihood of any of those ever coming into existence without massive bloodshed and considerable opposition from the right as well.

What military forces exist that you would trust to rule benignly? What religion exists that you would trust to rule better than even Obama or Biden? And no government at all in these lawless times? Viva la Mexico.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Kick the RINOs out of the GOP. Make honest women of them by forcing them into the Democrat Party.