Posted on 01/17/2021 9:02:35 AM PST by Peter ODonnell
You’re right...it’s history, it’s commonsense.
I stupidly voted for Perot and we got Clinton. Lesson learned. PEOPLE...DON’T CUT YOU’RE NOSE OFF. THINK!
At this point, there really was no difference between Bush and Clinton.
If what you say is true, Jeb Bush would have been President, although I doubt he would have beaten Hillary.
If we can't take over the Republican Party, despite 70 million people voting for Trump, then there is no hope of forming a powerful third party. We have been winning so much lately that the Democrats had to pull out all the stops to cheat their way to a win.
It's my understanding that we would not have lost the Senate if not for Republicans staying home. The problem is almost entirely the massive bias of the media. That is the problem that must be fixed. I have ignorant family members who think Trump is evil and Biden is moderate. I'm counting on the liberals to give us "Carter 2" so that these relatives will suffer for their foolishness.
A new party would have to get about 30% of Democrats to be viable.
The good news is this is very doable.
I’m saying the rats and gop will not allow it. So you need to overcome that first.
How would those 30% differ in their expectations from the RINOs we have now? Why are those 30% presently with the Democrats instead of the Republicans?
Just as there are Democrats whose families have always voted Democrat, I would bet there are Republicans whose families have always voted Republican. These people aren't going anywhere.
I think I am beginning to see the problem. I AM REPUBLICAN. That is because I believe that there is no room or justification for forming a third party.
I believe in the Bill of Rights including the Second Amendment. I believe in maximizing free enterprise. I believe in private property. I believe that men should not be competing in women's sports despite whatever medications they are taking or surgeries they have had.
If the 30% of Democrats who would join a third party believe in those things, then what in the world are they doing in the Democrat Party? And if Republicans don't believe in those things, then what are they doing in the Republican Party. It's time to clean house, not burn it down.
For one thing, many of them are totally comfortable living in a corrupt oligarchy where all the lines between church, state and corporate leadership have been erased. I attribute that to the cultural norms that defined Latin American governance in the post-colonial era in Central and South America. They don’t migrate here because they have an affinity for the American system of government. They migrate here only because our system works better ... for now.
You have a null and void constitution, at least for conservatives. The greatest president since Lincoln was disposed and will be hounded to death, as will his family and friends. You are at the mercy of the fascist left and globalists. Whose responsible? Obama, Soros, Biden, the CCP? None of them, the Quisling, back stabbing GOP is 100% responsible for the oppression we are about to suffer. The GOP could have stopped the coup but gave it its blessing. Some people never learn. Keep right on being a GOP stooge. There’s nothing left these judases can steal from us. They have sold us out completely.
“ Why are those 30% presently with the Democrats instead of the Republicans?”
That’s a long conversation.
A new party will have to do something for the people of America. That pretty much excludes all Republican leaders.
Don’t talk “spy vs spy”. Talk platform. There’s a reason that neither party will give the people what they want and need.
I’d rather we just have the internet but I don’t think we really do anymore. Shutting us out of the public square as they have done is their way of preventing us from picking ourselves up and counter attacking. They’re trying to keep us down. We need to pick ourselves up. We need to adapt and overcome. We need to be a viable nationwide alternative to Democrat rule in 2022.
Food for thought....do you think the Democrat Party would ever have Trump as a candidate?
Kanawa, I think you are onto something here. The popularity among young men of Jordan Peterson, who articulates this well, is proof. There are smart young people who sense that Classical Liberalism is what they truly believe in and what is best for us, but the hard left has appropriated the word “liberalism” and redefined it to mean “socialism”. Well done, Kanawa.
Sadly, Dr. Peterson’s health issues have put him out of service for some time, but here’s hoping he will make a successful comeback. But let’s not depend on one lone Canadian. We need to spread the word ourselves. More to come on how we might do that from me, and, I hope, others here.
Peter,
Thanks for the thread although I think you are looking too directly at Parliamentary systems which have no direct connection with our situation. Look instead at the birth of the Republican Party in the 1800s. They had a popular candidate, Freemont, after their founding but still lost that entire election cycle and would have lost with Lincoln if the Democrats hadn’t spilt due to impending succession.
Likewise the Whigs when formed went an entire cycle without gaining serious ground allowing Van Buren to succeed Jackson and with Van Buren the modern Democrat machine stayed solid for a generation.
No. I think we root out those we can in the Repubs and take the vehicle we capture with the least problems as every year the socialists remain in power can be our nation’s last.
The conservative movement ought to aim at building a strong network of reliable political and organization leaders, policy and campaign experts, and donors who are the core strength of the GOP establishment. If properly developed at every level of politics, such a network would be able to displace the GOP establishment and make conservatives a force to be reckoned with inside the GOP and in general elections.
There will no longer be open,
transparent, free elections.
Voting ballot is now a lottery
ticket.
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