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Alternatives to GOP: what are the options (with a view towards election success by 2024)?
original to Free Republic | Jan 17, 2021 | Peter O'Donnell

Posted on 01/17/2021 9:02:35 AM PST by Peter ODonnell

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To: Peter ODonnell

imo, the best option is to start a Conservative PAC led by a trusted financial guy like Steve Bannon or Brian Kolfage to fund a group of vetted patriots who’ve never held any office in the gop to primary the gope and/or run third party Conservative when expedient. those candidates can perform a hostile takeover like Trump did in 2016, without being dependent on gope money.

then the deplorables need to boycott the vote like the 300,000 did in Georgia to message gope candidates if they get through the primary to make sure the gope knows they have no path to power anymore.

those two strategies are the way forward, imo.


61 posted on 01/17/2021 9:45:11 AM PST by dadfly
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To: T.B. Yoits
Good post. I would take it one step further. Look at what the GOP has done over the last 25 years and see how big a role it has played in its own demise.

1. I am adamantly opposed to some provisions of its party platform. I can accept that (85% is better than nothing, as they say), BUT ...

2. It has a track record of utter failure when it comes to implementing its (alleged) core principles when it DOES have the power to do it.

Nothing captures the pathetic essence of the Republican Party more clearly than the ObamaCare farce it carried out from 2010 to 2017. When you refuse to deliver on what was your signature campaign issue for nearly a decade, you have no reason to exist as a political organization anymore.

62 posted on 01/17/2021 9:45:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("There's somebody new and he sure ain't no rodeo man.")
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To: Peter ODonnell

The alternative....the only realistic alternative....is to take over the Republican Party and push the RINO establishment out. There is no prospect of starting up a new party, building its infrastructure, finding and fielding candidates for every or at least most elections, and being remotely competitive for years and years.

Besides, some of the Republican Party is good. Also, there are conservative leaning but less well informed voters who will vote Republican anyway. Fielding a third party and splitting the right of center vote would just ensure the Democrats win everything for the foreseeable future.

1. Identify the RINOS who need to be primaried.
2. Find good candidates to replace them
3. Organize and work to defeat the establishment candidate

Once we bag enough RINOs, the rest will be too scared to step out of line lest we get them too.


63 posted on 01/17/2021 9:46:42 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: Peter ODonnell

Having run a county Republican party, IMHO if 1/100 of the people who write about their (well-founded) dissatisfaction with the Party would become precinct leaders, and show up at meetings, and work to elect candidates, right-thinking people could and would quickly take over the Party and set things straight.


64 posted on 01/17/2021 9:47:17 AM PST by Buchal ("Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .")
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To: Peter ODonnell

The only way is to start at the source. We must install conservative people at the local level on election boards. Secretaries of state must be next.

If we fail to do these two things, nothing will change


65 posted on 01/17/2021 9:47:26 AM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Shut the deuce up!!! I'll do the fighting!!!)
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To: Peter ODonnell

There will be no *election success* in the future.

The democrats will not allow another single honest election to occur ever again.

The only way that we are ever going to see honest elections in the future is if the democrats and liberals are forcibly, physically removed from office. And that’s not a threat or suggestion.

It’s an observation.

THAT is what it’s going to take to remove this cancer from us.


66 posted on 01/17/2021 9:47:27 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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To: Peter ODonnell

I do t think we know yet

But I’m praying

Trump is uncharacteristically quiet

His biggest mistakes ....and because he was thwarted by his GOPe advisors

Did not purge justice like Clinton did and Obama too I think

Didn’t purge intelligence branches sufficiently ....I’m not sure that’s possible unfortunately which creates a well of leakers....the disaffected cabal

We need a new vehicle or he and his loyalist take over the GOPe

The latter is a very tall order


67 posted on 01/17/2021 9:48:23 AM PST by wardaddy ( IN 1999 JIM THOMPSON WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE BUSHES ...WE WERE WRONG)
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To: for-q-clinton

Two Republican-like parties will guarantee the Democratic Party stays in power for who knows how long!!!

It is best for the Trump movement to take full control of the existing Republican Party and those who don’t like it, go wherver they wish.


68 posted on 01/17/2021 9:50:11 AM PST by elpadre
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To: Peter ODonnell

Trump got bad advice yes but from the GOPe you want to preserve
Not so much his proven loyalist

He did however let some clowns get too close

Scarmucci


69 posted on 01/17/2021 9:50:35 AM PST by wardaddy ( IN 1999 JIM THOMPSON WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE BUSHES ...WE WERE WRONG)
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To: metmom
Here’s the best way to see honest elections in the future:

1. Find a rural, conservative county in a swing state like Pennsylvania or Michigan that has no more than 30,000 registered voters today.

2. Mail in 500,000 ballots from that county in the next statewide election. If Donald Trump isn’t on the ballot, have all of them write his name in for the highest office up for election that year.

Watch how quickly this problem gets fixed in a scenario like that.

70 posted on 01/17/2021 9:53:25 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("There's somebody new and he sure ain't no rodeo man.")
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To: Peter ODonnell
the majority of its executive and prominent elected representatives.

Glad to see someone recognize that it's more than just elected politicians. There's a huge machine behind them made up of many very rich people. I suppose the Schlapps would be the face of them.

Hard to say what's best. As you say, the Libertarian party already has some standing but look at Rand Paul and Thomas Massie, both libertarians basically but they recognized that to get elected, they had to run as repub.

It would require a lot of big names to endorse and/or swap parties and would require a LOT of financial backing and a LOT of volunteers to get anything off the ground.

71 posted on 01/17/2021 9:54:08 AM PST by Pollard (Bunch of curmudgeons)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well exactly but who’s going to kick them out? Trump in his second term? Was that the real fear? But how in practical terms could Donald Trump assume control of the Republican Party?

I don’t follow the party that closely but I assume it has an elected executive and any member could run for positions at regular intervals?

So how do ordinary, ethical American conservatives replace the swamp creatures who apparently run the party now?

Also to all those who say, too little too late, we’re going into a socialist dictatorship — I know, I live in one myself. Gotta try everything you’re free to try for as long as you’re free to try it. North American liberals don’t do repression very well, they are too faint-hearted, this is why they love violent blacks and Islamists, because there are people who actually will kill their political opponents for them. Except for a few hardball Antifa types, most limousine liberals are soy boys and what I call talk-all-day girls who would never even visualize themselves as goons. They will try to legislate people into a dictatorship, it’s a process that can never quite reach its conclusion because the process itself is subtly opposed to its own ends. This is why Soviet communism failed in the 1980s, Gorbachev had the brainstorm of thinking, hey I can get people to like communism and vote for it willingly. Yeah sure, but there was still nothing in the stores after he famously invented glasnost and perestroika. These things actually meant nothing.

In 1988 I attended a speech given in Toronto by Georgi Arbatov, a close colleague of Gorbachev. He droned on about the wonders of perestroika and glasnost for about an hour but eventually factions of anti-communists filling the lecture hall shouted him off the stage. I happened to wander past him and a small entourage at a point where the lecture hall had almost emptied out and the crowd had joined various shouting factions outside (this was in the days of the failed Soviet war in Afghanistan so the Northern Alliance people were there in force, they almost beat me up because they thought as a young bearded white man I must surely be a Russian communist, luckily I had some brochures about freeing political prisoners with me).

So I could see Arbatov was deflated. He had been sent to North America to whip up friendly support for liberal communism as Gorbachev thought he was creating. All he wanted was to establish that communism could work. He could see that nobody bought that argument. Yet in fact lots of people did buy that argument, not because he made it, but because thousands of college professors and media talking heads made it, to vulnerable and essentially stupid young liberals who figured Cuba was a better place to live than Canada or America.

They never figured out why boats only went in one direction between Cuba and Florida.


72 posted on 01/17/2021 9:56:33 AM PST by Peter ODonnell (Pray for health, economic recovery, and justice.)
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To: Peter ODonnell

Naming a third party with Republican in the name seems a bit dubious. Many people who voted for Trump do not and have not considered themselves Republicans. Life-long Republicans that are tired of the GOP don’t need “Republican” in the name. If accuracy is desired in the party’s moniker, call it the American National Populist Party. National populism is growing through out the world, and Trump invented the American variety. A year ago I would have never thought of myself as a national populist. But I am now. It took me a while to realize Trump does not view the world through a lens of left vs. right, or liberal vs. conservative. I can still maintain my conservative principles and republican ideals as a national populist. There is room for that: fiscally and socially conservative; republican from the perspective of the 10th amendment.


73 posted on 01/17/2021 9:57:03 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” ― Thomas Jefferson)
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To: for-q-clinton

yes the cheating is baked into the uniparty system and the system will back up the cheating as we have seen, but the maximum margin for cheating is limited, even with mail-in ballot harvesting, and varies across the states and localities. it is possible to overcome the margin in certain circumstances, either by voting or not voting.

so there is room to work, if we have separate infrastructure and financing, even in a massively rigged system.


74 posted on 01/17/2021 10:00:11 AM PST by dadfly
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To: Peter ODonnell

Why don’t we kick out the traitors within the GOP and take over the party ourselves? There are more of us than them.


75 posted on 01/17/2021 10:01:30 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Peter ODonnell

Trump has already promised to primary the ten Republicans who voted for impeachment.

Trump is not going away unless they kill him, which is a possibility.

There is a huge vacuum left by Fox News.

Trump could fill it and reinvent the source of his billions if he does.


76 posted on 01/17/2021 10:01:47 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (You are in far more danger from an authoritarian government than you are from a seasonal virus.)
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To: Zhang Fei
But if someone of TR’s charisma couldn’t defeat Wilson in 1912, ushering in one of the worst presidencies in the history of the Republic, I’d be surprised if Trump could.

My thoughts as well, which is why we must either take over the GOP as Teddy should have, or kill the GOP the way the Republican Party killed the Whigs.

77 posted on 01/17/2021 10:03:15 AM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Peter ODonnell
It's cute that someone would take the time to put all of this on paper; either the writer has no idea that fair elections are a thing of the past in this country or he is trying to keep alive the political blogosphere by maintaining the fiction that there really is a viable two-party system and that a competitive candidate could prevail, either in a congressional race or a presidential race, if only we would give him or her sufficient time, money, or support on the internet.

If there is anything positive to come out of this election in a spiritual sense, it is the idea that the State has been knocked down to its proper place in relation to the Church. "Nolite confidere in principibus," the Psalmist wrote, and his admonition to us to put not our trust in princes can finally be embraced by members of all faiths on the Right, who have for too long bought in to the cockamamie idea that this country enjoyed some sort of respite from the original sin that countries throughout history have had to contend with (in case the body count of 60 million plus from legalized abortion was not strong enough evidence that the country had become as flawed as any and more flawed than many).

John Winthrop's "City on a Hill" could simply never endure; historians will determine that it has been our abuse of the freedoms we inherited that has led to the nation's moral and then political collapse.

Hopefully, we recognize the finite power of the State, even as our political opponents may revel in it.

Unplug from all of the electronics that in the end, serve to do nothing more than distract us from time with our families and the silence that God uses to communicate with us; tempus fugit.

78 posted on 01/17/2021 10:06:10 AM PST by Captain Walker ("More things are wrought by prayer than this world dreams of." - Alfred Lord Tennyson)
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To: for-q-clinton

Zero chance at third party? Let me ask you, What The Hell Do You Have To Lose? The Quisling GOP have colluded to give you a one party police state, with us on the outside of constitutional rights, looking in. The GOP stooges sold out our economic future to the CCP AGAIN! How can it get worse if you vote third party? Don’t believe the GOP elites will lift one finger while we deplorables are rounded up. Vote third party or no party, never Judas GOP party.


79 posted on 01/17/2021 10:07:32 AM PST by hardspunned (MAGA, now more than ever)
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To: Nateman

The steal happened in only a handful of big cities. People from those 6 or so States need to get on their repub legislature’s asses and correct the usurptation that they allowed by letting judges, BOEs, Sec of States to change election rules.

Need to get those machines out too. The sec of states or whoever approves themn need to be harrased for the next two years. Soros sec of states need to be gotten rid of and if I may be so bold as to use a leftist term, by any means necessary because the ends justify the means.

There also needs to be a lot of boots on the ground next time. Steak outs, video cameras(not phones), get conservative media like RSBN, OANN, America’s Voice and to a lesser degree, Newsmax to be on scene. Instead of three big black folk intimidating one white gal or guy, 10 big conservatives need to escort them in and be on stand by. In fact, it would be best if only big conservative people signed up to be poll watchers.

Intimidation played a huge part in the steal because that’s how some black folk roll.

Need someone watching every door.

Project Veritas needs to be increased 20 fold. Donate and volunteer.

or we could just give up and complain on the internet


80 posted on 01/17/2021 10:09:14 AM PST by Pollard (Bunch of curmudgeons)
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