McConnell warns Trump against troop drawdown in Afghanistan

The Hill ^ | 11/16/2020 | Jordain Carney

[Hojczyk]

They want Trump gone as bad as the democrats...

Endless wars and more money for the corrupt DC establishment

GOP is useless at the federal level

Venezuela in ten years

[Sacajaweau]

1775-1814 is what...

[Mr. K]

Tell him sure Mitch and then after January reelection inauguration tell him to go f*ck himself

[Zhang Fei]

[The GOP Majority Leader compares POTUS to Obama and the Fall of Saigon? ]

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It would be worse than the fall of Saigon. The North Vietnamese never launched an attack on US soil. The Taliban backed a terrorist group that did. It killed 3,000 people in NYC and DC. By comparison, the Pearl Harbor attack was a border incident at some remote outpost. Ideally, we would have attacked every known Taliban installation in Afghanistan with nuclear strikes followed by drone strikes until every man, woman and child in a Taliban zone lay dead. Since that’s not on offer, we had to invade Afghanistan to deter any future attacks.

We can withdraw from every other military base around the world. We cannot withdraw from Afghanistan until the Taliban is extinct. Ideally, we would slaughter them and every one of their civilian supporters. Since we can’t, we have this tiny presence there to show people that anyone who attacks us may be fighting their own countrymen backed by a small contingent of US troops for the next 100 years. Now that’s a deterrent.

Again, the cheapest and most effective deterrent would be physical extermination. Since we can’t, because of current-day restrictions, this is the next best thing. Alexander did conquest on the cheap when he wiped out the men in Persepolis, the Persian capital, and sold the women and children into slavery.

https://www.livius.org/sources/content/diodorus/alexander-sacks-persepolis/

After that, Greek nobles ruled Persia for as long as these United States have been a republic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_Empire

[Zhang Fei]

[I am curious if any one can state the mission in Afghanistan.]

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The mission ought to be to stick around until the Taliban dies of old age and/or despair. The current rules of engagement are what they are. The simplest way to end the Taliban would be to kill every single Pashtun in Afghanistan or drive them into Pakistan. Since we can’t, we need to stick around until the job is done. It’s a fairly low cost endeavor* compared to WWII, during which we spent 2 years of economic output and lost 400,000 dead. If we don’t, we will get similar attacks in the future. It’s not like our rules of engagement are going to loosen up and we’ll be able to wipe the enemy’s civilian supporters out. Given their preference for terror attacks on US soil against American civilians, we are literally fighting them there so our civilians here don’t have to get bushwhacked by them here.

* The total % of annual output we’ve spent fighting in the Middle East and Central Asia so far is 5%, vs WWII’s 200%. And US casualties combined are maybe a few dozen a year, vs 200 a day during WWII.

http://icasualties.org/

[napscoordinator]

Yes because 20 years is not enough.

[Arcadian Empire]

Get all of our military out of all hellholes.

Let them defend our border.

Let them defend our real allies in Eastern Europe from invasion by homicidal savages while dating beautiful Eastern European women.

[Arcadian Empire]

Replacing one Islamic regime with another Islamic regime never results in the happy peaceful place that globalists swear it will.

[UnwashedPeasant]

Remember all the talk about "abandoning our Kurdish allies" in Syrian Kurdistan?

Mitch McConnell called it a “grave strategic mistake” that will “leave the American people and homeland less safe, embolden our enemies, and weaken important alliances.”

Trump was right, and the Kurds took care of their own business without us just fine.

[mass55th]

Get back to approving Judges Mitch, and leave the real decisions to the President.

[CatDancer]

So what is this, KAAW? Keep America At War? Sure it is.

My grandson served in Afghanistan EIGHT YEARS AGO. He’s been out of the Marine Corps 5 years now. Had enough of a muslim CIC.

We have only the second good President we’ve had in my entire lifetime, maybe for only a short time more. Let him bring our people HOME.

[lodi90]

It would be worse than the fall of Saigon. The North Vietnamese never launched an attack on US soil. The Taliban backed a terrorist group that did. It killed 3,000 people in NYC and DC.

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There have been many Deep State terrorist attacks launched from AMERICAN soil during this now 4 year old coup against President Trump. Attacks aided and abetted by McConnell and the GOP Senate. Trump’s Presidency has been stolen and the now 130 million votes for him have been disenfranchised. How brave of McConnell to defend Afghanistan, though.

[springwater13]

The Military Industrial Complex is going to Military Industrial Complex.

Trump is a lame duck* and owes nothing to nobody and can do whatever the hell he wants the next 60 days. If President Biden wants to send tens of thousands of troops to War, that will be his problem and can justify another 17 years in that sand pit from hell.

*per court challenge of course

[Zhang Fei]

[There have been many Deep State terrorist attacks launched from AMERICAN soil during this now 4 year old coup against President Trump. Attacks aided and abetted by McConnell and the GOP Senate. Trump’s Presidency has been stolen and the now 130 million votes for him have been disenfranchised. How brave of McConnell to defend Afghanistan, though.]

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McConnell’s not defending Afghanistan. He’s defending the US. Because other 9/11’s will be launched again and again if we bail out of Afghanistan after a few thousand dead GI’s despite out-of-the-blue attacks on both our financial and political capitals. 9/11 was a ocean-sized loogie hawked up at our collective faces. Compared to that, Pearl Harbor was the typical nondescript border clash.

It ticks me off that Cocaine Mitch deliberately undermined Trump by not passing a stimulus package. But that’s the way it goes. McConnell has his priorities, and Trump has his. If Trump had done DACA on day one and made the wall his condition for the tax cuts, we wouldn’t be talking about a presidential transition today. Trump has stepped on his own peter numerous times.

A second term could still happen. We have a somewhat solid GOP majority in the Supreme Court. Whether they have the guts to go against the media, the plutocratic elites, out-of-control Democratic local officials ... Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

[lodi90]

McConnell is absolutely not defending the US in Afghanistan. If he was doing that he would not be fully supporting the ongoing Deep State coup for four years now. It’s that simple.

[ImpBill]

"...we need to stick around until the job is done. It’s a fairly low cost endeavor* compared to WWII".

..."until the job is done"

My question was/is what exactly is the job(mission)?

And just personal curiosity, have you served in "combat"?

[Zhang Fei]

[McConnell is absolutely not defending the US in Afghanistan. If he was doing that he would not be fully supporting the ongoing Deep State coup for four years now. It’s that simple.]

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Trump and the US are not synonymous. McConnell has his priorities. Trump has his. I like Trump, and hope he wins a second term, courtesy of the Supremes, if necessary. But life will not end if he doesn’t, just as it did not end when McCain lost, followed by Romney. I prefer Trump to Dubya, McCain and Romney. But we will have other elections.

In fact, even if he doesn’t win this round, the bloody shirt will be a big motivator for 2022. I see that being for Biden what 2018 was for Trump - a real bloodbath for his party.

And if Trump wants it, I see him as a shoo-in for the 2024 GOP nomination. This vaccine thing is genuinely impressive. I see it carrying him to a second term in four years if the ongoing legal maneuvers fail to bear fruit. It’s not even unprecedented. One other president has done it. Whether he would want to is a separate question.

[flamberge]

Ideally, we would slaughter them and every one of their civilian supporters.

We have no will to do that. And nothing less would do.

Since we can’t, we have this tiny presence there to show people that anyone who attacks us may be fighting their own countrymen backed by a small contingent of US troops for the next 100 years. Now that’s a deterrent.

There is no deterrent from an outnumbered group hunkered down in defensive positions waiting to be slaughtered. Ask the Brits how well that worked out when they were there previously.

The current "rules of engagement" are a proven route to disastrous failure. It's past time for us to leave.

[Zhang Fei]

[My question was/is what exactly is the job(mission)?

And just personal curiosity, have you served in “combat”? ]

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The mission is to stick around until the Taliban is dead. I have never been on a government payroll. However, a soldier who asked me to do his job would be about as worthless as cop, a firefighter or even a DMV employee who asked me to do his job. That’s what we pay him for - to kill the country’s enemies. If he’s not interested, he should leave as soon as his enlistment period ends. There are plenty of people interested in doing his job. Up or out certainly hasn’t been abandoned for lack of new recruits.

[lodi90]

Trump and the US are not synonymous. McConnell has his priorities.

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Trump is POTUS. Every moment he spends taking coupist knives out of his back is a moment he is not defending this country. McConnell simply has no interest in defending this country. If he did he never would have green lighted this coup that has heavily damaged our national security. The coup only continues with bipartisan support and you can thank China Mitch and the GOP Congress for that.