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US, UK, India, China — Why foreign countries are scrambling to set up military bases in Africa
https://www.msn.com ^ | 9/21/2020 | Theo Neethling

Posted on 09/21/2020 9:08:48 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19

Recent media reports claim that a covert Kenyan paramilitary team is responsible for the unconstitutional killing of terror suspects in nighttime raids. The reports are based on interviews with US and Kenyan diplomatic and intelligence officials.

The team was trained, armed and supported by US and British intelligence officers.

It has been reported that since 2004, a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) programme has been operational in Kenya without public scrutiny. For its part, the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) has played a key role in identifying, tracking and fixing the location of targets.

This has drawn renewed attention to the reality of widespread foreign security operations in Africa.

Several African governments are hosting foreign military bases. This is despite the African Union (AU) Peace and Security Council’s ongoing concerns about the proliferation of foreign military bases on the continent. The AU is also concerned about its inability to monitor the movement of weapons to and from these military bases. Regardless, a host of bilateral agreements between AU member states and foreign powers underlie the spread of foreign military forces across the continent.

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KEYWORDS: 2004; africa; cia; colonialism; kenya; thend; ww1; ww3
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Imperialism, in the first place the Scramble for Africa is considered one of the leading causes of World War 1

www.heeve.com/modern-history/causes-of-world-war-1.html


1 posted on 09/21/2020 9:08:48 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19
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To: RomanSoldier19

No country has ever benefited from going into Africa.


2 posted on 09/21/2020 9:15:11 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble

3 posted on 09/21/2020 9:22:06 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19 (Game over, man! Game over! ; : rem ad triarios redisse is)
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To: Jim Noble

Let Africa Sink
http://www.kimdutoit.com/2017/05/05/let-africa-sink/


4 posted on 09/21/2020 9:22:34 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Jim Noble

Are you sure about that?
China has been mining Cobalt and other precious minerals from the Congo for a couple of years. Minerals used in smartphones, laptops and e-batteries.
They are not very nice or humane to the little children forced to do the actual digging of some minerals, but they don’t care about that. Not much competition from other prosperous countries either.


5 posted on 09/21/2020 9:26:17 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Jim Noble

I’d like to know whom’s constitution they are talking about.
Do these terror suspects have any rights under this constitution and are US, UK, India, China scrambling to set up military bases in Africa doing it to protect these terror suspects or because they want to help kill some of them and are they going to set up their military bases in the country of the fore mentioned constitution.


6 posted on 09/21/2020 9:28:03 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: RomanSoldier19

China has a lot of their people working in Africa, mainly in mining but also oil and agriculture. Instead of hiring locals, the send in their own people to work. They live in enclaves, like the Europeans used to do.

One result is that locals resent them.
And in some countries, local insurgents, mainly ISIS related but sometimes just tribal bullies, have attacked them.

So China has their military there to protect them.

Watch the Chinese film Wolf Warrior 2...which ends with the assurance that China will protect their citizens no matter where they live.

(Its a good film by the way in a Rambo type genre).


7 posted on 09/21/2020 9:37:34 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: RomanSoldier19

The article disses the UK for training Kenyan special forces.

The writer seems unaware that Kenya for many years has had a very good, professional military.

And the writer laments they hit terrorist without reading them their rights? Terrorists who have attacked Kenyan civilians?


8 posted on 09/21/2020 9:42:12 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: FreedomPoster

That is absolutely still one of the funniest essays I ever read and I’ve read it about 10 times now

This is coming from a guy that’s almost falling off cliffs gotten eaten by the ocean or large animals hundreds of times !

And that’s on the North American continent and Pacific Islands only!!


9 posted on 09/21/2020 9:52:21 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guv-mint you get is the Trump winning express ! Yea haw ! Trump Pence II! Save America again)
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To: FreedomPoster

Here’s a great read which is a log of a Belgian couple who RVed through the Congo. I read this several years ago, and I think I’ve posted it here before. Once I started reading I couldn’t stop.

https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/democratic-republic-of-congo-lubumbashi-to-kinshasa.50799/


10 posted on 09/21/2020 10:13:35 PM PDT by KJC1 (A vote for Biden-Harris is a vote for Antifa-BLM)
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To: FreedomPoster

When I was stationed in Africa, natives and others kept telling me that the problem in Africa is Africans. The best thing for Africa was European colonization. And, what the Chinese doing is enslaving and robbing.

The only thing that can change Africa to peace and prosperity is Christianity.


11 posted on 09/21/2020 10:18:03 PM PDT by Choppo
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To: lee martell; LadyDoc; RomanSoldier19; philetus; FreedomPoster
He’s absolutely correct. Nothing at all to be gained from having an African footprint. It is best we leave Africa to the crazy Africans and the Chinese.

So what if the Chinese have military bases in Africa, with the one in Djibouti being the first of many? The US has one base in Djibouti as well, and has Guam in the Indian Ocean!

So what if the Chinese continue to sell their wares to Africa, which is seen as a key future and growth market for China? The US has more than enough Americans to sell to.

So what if the Chinese are moving towards increased Great Power Conflict, with the resources in Africa being a key aim for them as part of the stratagems they are currently implementing (with the greatest example of soft power ever across the continent). American doesn’t need to counter that at all!! After all, there’s nothing but beetle-dung in Africa as another FReeper so sagely said sometime back.

Yes, I know Trump’s Administration has implemented some of the most significant (and sizeable) pushes to have closer ties with Africa, and he has done more than even Obama and President Bush combined. Sure, that is because of one reason - China - but what does President Trump know! Or for that matter, countries like Britain and France that are rapidly trying to do the same. Just idiots the bunch of them.

Yes, I know there is claim that Africa has the world’s fastest growing middle class, but they also have Ebola and Marasmus. Let’s leave all of that to the Chinese.

And as for development - there are only mud huts in Africa. Not a single stone building for thousands of miles. For example, have a look at this picture of Nairobi in Kenya! Disgusting how they only have huts and pot-bellies children herding skinny goats!!!!

Nairobi’s dilapidated mud hut villages

Let China have the whole damn continent!!!! At least we have Guam.

12 posted on 09/22/2020 3:54:52 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

Great response. A helpful answer. Let China have those ongoing headaches of working with aka being responsible for Africa.


13 posted on 09/22/2020 4:05:06 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: spetznaz

But how am I ever going to get my money from Nigeria if we just leave it alone?


14 posted on 09/22/2020 4:44:26 AM PDT by pas
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To: Jim Noble

Lot’s of countries have benefited from going into Africa

1. the Phoenicians
2. the Greeks
3. the Romans
4. the Arabs (into North Africa)
5. Omanis (into east Africa)
6. Portuguese all along the coast
7. The English (South africa, rhodesia etc. lots of money)
8. The French (west Africa)
9. Belgians (lots of money from the Congo)


15 posted on 09/22/2020 5:01:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: philetus

under the Kenyan constitution - of killing extra-judicial.


16 posted on 09/22/2020 5:02:42 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: LadyDoc

exactly - it might be unconstitutional, but no one is going to shed a tear for those terrorists


17 posted on 09/22/2020 5:03:29 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Bkmk


18 posted on 09/22/2020 5:07:15 AM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply.)
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To: KJC1

I just glanced at the map and said “Aw hell no!”

What Leopold and the Belgians did in the Congo was criminal at the level of Stalin, Hitler and Mao.

I read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s The Crime of the Congo in the last few years. It was eye opening, to say the least. Free at Project Gutenberg.

http://gutenberg.org/ebooks/37712

Just reading the preface gives you a good overview.


19 posted on 09/22/2020 8:22:42 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: spetznaz
The rare metals are found in Africa, and China is trying to control this resource. Think cell phone and car batteries.

The Chinese are bringing in their own workers to do this, but unlike western do gooders, whose aim is not to disturb their culture but to keep them living their green lifestyle, aka in poverty, the Chinese are promoting a modern lifestyle... cellphones used to buy and sell, and used as banks, and now for classes in schools. The corrupt government might not keep the electricity on, but China will sell you a generator.

And unlike American kids, African kids study hard, for they see education as a way out of poverty.

The press shows a very biased picture of Africa and Asia. There are war zones, but such areas are not universal.

The corruption means the smartest and most ambitious folk leave for jobs overseas.

As for the slums...this is a world wide problem, as village folk move into cities. We white “ethnics” were in similar slums until recently, and I won't even go into the elite's hatred, of Hillbillies.

20 posted on 09/25/2020 9:32:05 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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