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The cops would not have shot him if he was black.
More criminal police in action. Never answer the door, never talk to the police, avoid them at all costs.
JoMa
“””It looks like a bad shoot. This is more shocking than the George Floyd case, after you have watched the body cam video in both cases. “”””
Did this guy die of a drug overdose like Saint Floyd did?
I think Ryan may have been “swatted”.
Sounds like a combination of swatting and a trigger happy cop.
Three shots in the back? Yeah, I’d say that was a bad shoot.
I believe the caller needs to be arrested for providing false information. Notice how there was no noise coming from the apt. when the police arrived. Also the police need to face charges here as the man was definitely complying with their requests and was not pointing his gun at them. Of course these are dangerous times, so I can’t totally fault the police, but seems like they did overreact to my eyes.
Back the blue my ass. Cops are parts of the problem. Even if this was a perfectly justified use of deadly force by the police, although it certainly appears to be nothing close, they ignored the guy as he lay there for 10 minutes,
Goons in blue.
“Has the officer who shot been trained to shoot every time they see someone with a gun in their hand?”
Too many times I’ve seen posters on this forum write words to the effect: “Never draw your gun unless you’re going to shoot.”
That propagates the idea that when you see a gun in someone’s hand they are going to shoot. That leads to shooting first to protect yourself.
Personally, I don’t see that, all else being equal, seeing a person merely holding a gun generates an immediate need to shoot them.
It is cases like this that make me Fully Supportive of having Public Servants and Public Employee’s, especially Judges and Cops, Swatted on a Regular Basis. When they start Killing Public Servants and Public Employee’s, it will change
This falls into the category of: innocent citizen, acting lawfully and rationally, killed by police.
“More Shocking than Floyd?”
Dean,
I’m Shocked!
This guy Spooked PoPo.
Death Wish, IMHO.
It’s hard to support cops when they are trigger happy idiots.
Poor judgement, procedure, and actions on both parts led to a tragedy.
It’s perfectly legal to have a gun in your home for protection. It’s perfectly legal to answer the door with your gun. You can’t point it unless there is a threat. It does not appear he pointed it, however, while it was legal for him to have the gun in his hand, did that prove to be smart? In this case no. As others have, I have to ask why did he answer the door if he thought he was going to meet a threat?
This is about the third or fourth police shooting I can recall in the last two or three years where someone is shot answering the door with a gun. Honest gun owners should evaluate, not from the police end, but from the homeowners side, what you do and what’s smart to do when you answer your door. As a defensive shooter, we train scenarios. That can be on a range or in your head, but if you have a gun for home defense, like concealed carry, you should create scenarios and ask yourself how you would respond and what the consequences might be.
I have considered many times how to respond if I were pulled over while carrying in order to make sure the officer doesn’t need to unnecessarily escalate a simple traffic stop. People should consider the same if you are going to answer the door armed. Me? I often am carrying in my house, concealed same as I carry outside. If I answered the door it would still be concealed. If it wasn’t concealed it would be holstered. Holstered or concealed is not a threat. In your hand or behind your back could be confused as a potential threat.
This is not a either a judgement or exoneration of the cops. It’s an attempt to break the accident chain before it happens. Friendly on friendly is never a good thing.