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Health expert Zeke Emanuel says 250,000 Americans could die of COVID by end of year
cbsnews ^ | 07/10/2020 | Grace Segers

Posted on 07/28/2020 12:54:07 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Bioethicist Dr. Zeke Emanuel is predicting that up to 250,000 Americans could die directly from the coronavirus by the end of the year. In an interview with CBS News chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett, Emanuel, who is the vice provost for Global Initiatives and chair of the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania, slammed the Trump administration's response to the pandemic as "incompetent and pretty disastrous."

"Before the year is out, we'll probably have, I would think, between 220,000 and 250,000 Americans who died directly from COVID, not to mention those people who are dying indirectly," Emanuel said in this week's episode of "The Takeout" podcast. Emanuel singled out people with heart conditions or in need of cancer treatment who may not visit the doctor due to concerns about catching the virus as factors contributing to high indirect mortality rates.

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KEYWORDS: china; covid; emanuel; expert; health; zeke; zekeemanuel
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To: 444Flyer

That’s him.


61 posted on 07/28/2020 2:58:53 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TigersEye

Based on how trials have gone so far, I think this is President Trump’s October surprise. And I also think that’s going to lead to a landslide victory.

The choice for voters will end up being between a guy hiding in his basement who CLEARLY has advancing dementia and the hero that stopped COVID-19 by heavily investing in vaccines early on and getting all the FDA bureaucrats out of the way (while still keeping all the safety testing and protocols in place). I’m sure Biden will still get some die-hard liberals, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lot of people who might otherwise go for Biden not even bother voting.


62 posted on 07/28/2020 3:00:48 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Zeke should be very happy about this!!!

He thinks anyone over 75 and newborn babies under 30 days old have lives of no value—so it’s just fine to withold medical care from them or deliberately kill them.

Dr Zeke was “The Architect” for the despicable evil failure known as Obamacare.


63 posted on 07/28/2020 3:03:27 PM PDT by RooRoobird20
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

I hope you’re right about the vaccine. I think Trump will win in a landslide anyway but that wouldn’t hurt. It could be one of several October surprises from Trump.


64 posted on 07/28/2020 3:04:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Covid is over. We have been conditioned by it. The Cultural Revolution has begun.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Dr. Death, Rahm’s brother:

Architect of Obamacare

Special adviser to the director-general of the World Health Organization

Biden Coronavirus Advisor

Over-Estimated Coronavirus Cases by Whopping 99 Million (24 Apr 2020)


65 posted on 07/28/2020 3:05:59 PM PDT by maggief
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To: ChicagoConservative27

He should be giddy with joy. He wants everyone over the age of 75 to die. The virus is killing old folks more than any other age group, so what’s the problem?


66 posted on 07/28/2020 3:07:27 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (“It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” ― Yogi Berra)
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To: DuncanWaring

There are only 7 that infect humans. Four are minor respiratory viruses that are among the over 200 viruses that cause the symptoms we just collectively call “the common cold”. The amount of work it would take (and money) to develop and safety test a vaccine for over 200 different viruses is absolutely obscene. They’d have to charge you $1,000 a shot and probably update it every year. Nobody’s paying for that.

The other three are SARS-CoV-1 (SARS 2003), SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19), and MERS-CoV (MERS 2012). SARS 2003 and MERS 2012 both had vaccine candidates that made it through phase 1 and phase 2 human trials successfully. However, by the time they were ready to start phase 3 trials, both diseases had burned out. No disease equals nobody buying a vaccine equals no investment in phase 3 trials where you give the candidate to tens of thousands of people, pay all of them, and monitor all of them for both safety and efficacy.

In fact, some of the candidates for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are just SARS-CoV-1 vaccines they pulled off the shelf and tweaked to work for SARS-CoV-2. President Trump says we’re very close. Some manufacturers have stated they may have limited doses available of candidates in testing in September or October. Multiple candidates are in the middle of phase 3 trials right now with very promising results.

In 1960, zero men had gone to space. In 1961, the first one made it. Since then, hundreds of others (566) have done it. There’s always a first. I wouldn’t make the mistake of underestimating President Trump. Plenty of others have done that time and time again and always been proven wrong. If he says we’re close, you can bet it’s about to happen.


67 posted on 07/28/2020 3:10:45 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I hope he is NUMBER ONE. The man is a Dr. Mengele, only younger.


68 posted on 07/28/2020 3:22:26 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: 444Flyer

Emanuel is a loser, but I think Jonathan Gruber was the “Death Panel Guy”. I could be wrong, however.


69 posted on 07/28/2020 3:25:52 PM PDT by gopno1
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Democrats Warn Hydroxychloroquine May Save Your Life And Then You’d Have To Keep Living In A Reality Where Trump Is Still President
Babylon Bee ^ | 07/28/2020
Posted on 7/28/2020, 3:13:23 PM by DFG

Democrat leaders warned Americans today that the dangerous drug touted by Trump, hydroxychloroquine, could save your life and then force you to keep living in a reality where Trump is president.

“This drug has the very real side effect of keeping you alive, and then you’d still be alive in this horrible place where Trump is the president of the country,” said Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. “It’s impossible to overstate just how deadly and dangerous this president’s rhetoric is as he tries to get people to take this drug and make them stay alive under his cruel, totalitarian, tyrannical reign.”

“We cannot allow this to happen — do not take hydroxychloroquine! Then you can die peacefully of COVID-19 and fade into the sweet, sweet bliss of death where you will never remember that Trump was ever president.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/dems-warn-hydroxychloroquine-may-save-your-life-and-then-youd-have-to-live-in-a-reality-where-trump-is-still-president


70 posted on 07/28/2020 3:36:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (If CV19 is so easily spread, why do they shove a Qtip up your nose and into your brain for a sample?)
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To: gopno1

Zeke Emanuel came up with the ‘Reaper Curve’ (aka his Complete Lives System).

April 2014

“Ezekiel Emmanuel’s Reaper Curve”

“...The period of maximum probability continues until you are about 33 years old. By 50 you are down to only a 75% chance of receiving a needed intervention. By your late 50s you are down to only a 50% chance of getting what you need. And just about the time you turn 65, the very time you would have expected to begin to be eligible for Medicare after having paid payroll taxes for years, you will only have a 25% chance (or less) of getting a needed intervention.

This is worthy of being repeated. You have paid your payroll taxes for 40 years or so in the expectation that you will receive full Medicare benefits for your health care needs. Then you discover that under Emanuel’s “Reaper Curve,” you will only have a 25% chance or less of receiving medical intervention when you reach a health crisis...”

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/04/ezekiel_emmanuels_reaper_curve.html


71 posted on 07/28/2020 3:56:10 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

72 posted on 07/28/2020 4:01:59 PM PDT by McGruff (Polls are for dancing)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Good, because when I call myself a FluBro I know damned well that influenza can be a lot more than just a fever and diarrhea.


73 posted on 07/28/2020 4:22:59 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

That’s it. Even if every vaccine could be delivered for just $1, per person, that’s an $8 billion dollar revenue stream.

Now, since the costs will be closer to $100/shot, it’s really almost a $1 trillion revenue stream.


74 posted on 07/28/2020 4:30:26 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is thp at they are both death cults.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Listen it is a fact that COVID is harmless 99.99999% of the time when the person infected is under 60 Y.O. THIS IS FACT YOU FEAR MONGERING A$$H0LE. You must be a paid troll.


75 posted on 07/28/2020 6:23:46 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Since May 7th 2020. Yeah, newby you must be a troll.


76 posted on 07/28/2020 6:24:42 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va
"Listen it is a fact that COVID is harmless 99.99999% of the time when the person infected is under 60 Y.O."

That's incorrect. The number is actually about 99.73%. Let's explore why.

The US population stands at about 330 million people. Of those, 2.2 million had been identified as having been infected with SARS-CoV-2 as of June 17th (the data I have on deaths and hospitalizations broken down by age group is all from June). The CDC director stated that number could be as much as 10 times higher, so let's assume 22 million in total had been infected across the US at that time, or about 7.3% of the US population. If we look only at deaths (when COVID-19 was clearly not harmless), we see that 26 children ages 0-14 died due to COVID-19 between Feb 1 and June 17 (https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863). 125 deaths between the ages of 15 and 24. 699 deaths between the ages of 25 and 34. 1,780 deaths between the ages of 35 and 44. And 4,976 deaths between the ages of 45 and 54. The next group overruns into the over 60 group, so we'll ignore them for this. That's 7,606 deaths for Americans age 0 - 54. Their total population is 232 million. If 7.3% have contracted the virus, that's 16,936,000 who had been infected as of that date. That's 0.045% who died from COVID-19 and 99.955% who contracted the virus and at least survived it. If it were actually "harmless" to "99.99999%", the number of deaths would be 2 (1.69). But it's actually 7,606, which is higher than 2. A lot higher. About 4,500 times higher than the expected number given your percentage.

But even that isn't covering everyone harmed. Most reasonable people would say that if you're hospitalized for an illness, it's not "harmless". So let's look at hospitalizations as well. For kids 0-17, we had 2,180 hospitalizations due to COVID-19 as of June 13th (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hospital-rate-by-age/). 17,320 for people ages 18-39. 18,100 for people ages 40-49. The next group is 50-64, so since that overruns your <60, we'll ignore the whole group even though we know (from the deaths totals) that we're missing a pretty large number there. So that's 37,600 persons ages 0-49 hospitalized due to COVID-19. Population of persons age 0-49 is 212 million. 7.3% infected gives us 15,476,000 persons. That puts us at 0.24% of infected persons from ages 0-49 who wound up hospitalized. Given your "99.99999%" number, that should again be 2 (1.55 now since we're excluding the 50-54 age group). The reality is it's 24,258 times higher than that.

Those are facts. They may not fit your narrative, but they are the reality of the situation. You may not like them, but they exist in the real world nonetheless.

"THIS IS FACT YOU FEAR MONGERING A$$H0LE. You must be a paid troll." "Since May 7th 2020. Yeah, newby you must be a troll."

You've certainly been here longer than I have, but if you've used your time here spreading misinformation and then calling people names and cursing at them when they correct you, then what value are you adding? If all you have to offer is incorrect information, name calling, and foul language, that's just high quantity of low quality posting.

I'm providing factual information backed by authoritative sources, remaining calm and respectful, and engaging in substantive discussions. Can you say the same?

77 posted on 07/29/2020 10:24:51 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Who is paying to scare Freepers?


78 posted on 07/29/2020 11:15:35 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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