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What a Second American Civil War Could Look Like
Townhall.com ^ | July 21, 2020 | Mark Nuckols

Posted on 07/21/2020 6:19:22 AM PDT by Kaslin

I fear that there is a looming civil war on the horizon. It is not yet inevitable, but all true American patriots must be prepared for the coming battle. And the costs in blood will be heavy. This war will not be fought like the American Revolution or the Civil War of 1861-65, where disciplined armies observed the laws of war and respected civilian lives.

This war will be waged by far-left radicals and their deep-state puppet masters. For them, civilian casualties and massacres will not be moral evils, but merely part and parcel of their larger plan to “reconstruct” America. Their objective is simple: overthrow our constitutional order, destroy our way of life, and deprive us of our freedom, our liberties, our property, and our honor.

I have spent many years in countries that have suffered civil war and its horrors, such as Russia (including Chechnya), Syria, Lebanon, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. I have also carefully studied the history of revolutions and civil conflict. And until recently I would never have believed a second civil war in America to be possible. But the warning signs are all there, and they began appearing most visibly when Donald Trump became the Republican nominee for president. He is the first American politician that strikes fear into the hearts of both the deep state and the radical left. And that fear makes them extremely dangerous.

The Bolshevik October Revolution of 1917 was carried out by a mere few thousand party members in St. Petersburg. And it was sudden and unexpected, the Bolshevik Central Committee made the decision to launch a coup d’etat only hours before its execution. In fact, as late as July 1917 Lenin himself did not expect a communist revolution in his lifetime. The Russian Civil War that followed is a horrifying story of savage carnage and obscene violence.

In similar fashion, I believe one likely spark for the Second American Civil War will be the result of a coup d’etat carried out by anti-America extremists. It will catch most Americans by surprise. The coup plotters will act quickly to seize the critical levers of power, before any opposition has a chance to react. And they will be aided and abetted by the kinds of people Lenin referred to, contemptuously, as useful idiots.

The shock troops will come from the ranks of Antifa and radical anti-white elements of the Black Lives Matter movement. These fascist stormtroopers will be augmented by the even larger numbers of veterans of Occupy and other far-left movements. And jihadists from across the globe will flock to support this coup. But the real power will be behind the scenes, in the hands of the bureaucrats of the American deep state, who will see such a far-left coup as their best chance to preserve and expand their far-reaching powers, but which President Trump threatens.

Much of the mainstream media will initially be warmly supportive. A few so-called conservatives at The New York Times may meekly protest that while the ends of the revolution are laudable, perhaps the means are a bit too messy. But most of the liberal media will fall into lockstep, in the belief that as long as they are supportive, the coup leaders will allow them to stay in business. Many Americans will believe their pro-coup propaganda and quietly submit, or at least refrain from overt resistance.

The faculties at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton will pass resolutions of fervent support, and their brainwashed students will rush to enlist in the revolution before all the excitement passes. Likewise, left-leaning foundations and oligarchs will promise financial support. And the Federal Reserve will flood the economy with debased currency.

Not all Democrat politicians will turn traitor, but there will be some prominent establishment “statesmen” who will betray our country. They will naively believe that they will be able to control the revolution and turn it to their own purposes. When their fig leaf of respectability is no longer required, they will get the fate they deserve. But their role will be critical, to give coup leaders the guise of “continuity of government” while they seize the critical levers of power.

America’s external enemies will not sit by idly. The new revolutionary government will offer generous terms in return for “foreign assistance” (meaning secret police), and troops if necessary. Expect a Treaty of San Antonio whereby Mexico “recovers her historic territories” of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and southern California. Russia will expect a return of Alaska (and its oil) to the Motherland. China and the European Union will demand we surrender our economic sovereignty and become vassals of Beijing and Brussels. And, of course, the United Nations will offer to send in the “blue helmets” to “restore civil order.” North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran will all also want in on the spoils in return for “technical support.”

And what will be the agenda of this regime? The first priority is obvious: the confiscation of all privately owned guns. An armed citizenry ready and prepared to defend its rights would be an intolerable threat to the regime. The next logical step would be identifying any and all possible sources of opposition and interning them and their families in “re-education” camps. The third priority will be a radical redistribution of property. It would destroy the American free-enterprise economy, but short-term it would guarantee the loyal support of all those hoping for a share of the spoils.

I do not wish to be alarmist. But what I describe here is a plausible scenario. And have no doubt, our nation’s enemies are resolute and determined. The continued existence of our great country, the United States of America, will depend on the bravery, strength, resourcefulness, and patriotism of her most loyal citizens. We must stand prepared for all possible threats.

May God bless and protect America.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: america; antifa; banglist; blm; civilwar; communism; cwii; cwiiping; deepstate; marxism; preppers; shtf
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To: Kaslin
This is pretty silly. It's not a civil war if only one side has guns. Plus almost all the fatalities will be indirectly caused by guys with .30 hunting rifles shooting out big transformers on high capacity electric transmission lines, or at switching yards. The really scary thing is that this has already been tested at a switching yard in either Santa Clara or San Jose, California.

What makes this possible is the long lead time required to manufacture those really big transformers. Hopefully it will be possible to make them via 3D printing before the trouble starts.

My present ball-park guesstimate for fatalities if this goes down is @ 40 million +/- 20 million, mostly in the BosWash corridor. No power means gas station fuel pumps won't work means no food transportation and no water pumping, let alone sewage treatment, plus people can only get around on foot.

Millions will die horribly. This is not anything anyone sane wants, and I hope it never happens.

But I think it will in the second term of the next Democratic President given the way things have been going.

221 posted on 07/21/2020 12:57:58 PM PDT by Thud
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To: mountainfolk

“War or the equivalent gorilla warfare....”

I will go out on a limb and assume you meant “guerilla” warfare. Because if you really meant “gorilla” than you’d have to fight my wife, who has studied primates for decades.


222 posted on 07/21/2020 1:11:44 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: z3n
The point I was making was more about the target list. I just don’t think that if they were the ones who started it all...

In classic old style war you bomb the railroads (hit infrastructure) - because that feed the war machine. My list was created with the idea our enemy is small in number but big in propaganda... and a fast attack on that front might cripple their war effort before it fully started...

I was throwing the idea out to see if others had a better list... or additions etc. We need to think about this BEFORE it starts (if ever) because the left owns the means of communication.

So, in a possible commie takeover (where we have limited private citizen resources) what would be on your list?

223 posted on 07/21/2020 1:19:44 PM PDT by GOPJ (Leo Terrell - Michael Shellenberger - Stephen Hsu - Bari Weiss - TRUTH: the new HATE SPEECH)
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To: joegoeny

GOOD on you. -I cannot tell you how many people that I know who have TRIED recycling lead-acid batteries. NOT a good plan.

Frankly, I don’t know if STONE bullets would work or not.
(I would guess that stone/granite would damage your barrel.)

Yours, TMN78247


224 posted on 07/21/2020 1:36:04 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, F'by 241836)
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To: nonliberal

*** “This is a people who masks themselves and hides in their homes from a virus with a 99.9% survival rate. Do you honestly think that these cowards will fight for anything?” ***

99.997%


225 posted on 07/21/2020 1:40:06 PM PDT by TexasTransplant ( I am going back to work... permission or not)
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To: joegoeny

All that leaves is procuring smokeless powder.


226 posted on 07/21/2020 1:41:32 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: sport

I worked in China the last year of the cultural revolution, 1976. I arrived in Beijing two weeks after Mao died. I was there to start up the steam plant in a fertilizer factory being constructed in the Yunnan Province. There were days when no workers would show up at the plant to do any work. They would all go to political rallies, bring pots and pans to bang, everybody had their little red book of Chairman Mao to wave in the air and every person wore the same gray Mao suit. It was shocking to see that coming from the USA.

The cultural revolution is upon us here and we are not far from witnessing what I saw 44 years ago.


227 posted on 07/21/2020 1:46:59 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Thank you for the information.


228 posted on 07/21/2020 1:49:44 PM PDT by sport
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Why not just buy it now?

For the most part, from what I’ve seen, finished ammunition and reloading supplies are still generally plentiful.


229 posted on 07/21/2020 1:56:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TexasTransplant

YES, I DO BELIEVE that a LOT of us “hillbillies” (wherever located) WILL resist & IF REQUIRED with massive “force of arms”.

A modern civil war (UNLIKE “The Late Unpleasantness” of 1861-65) will be EXTREMELY UGLY, with NO gaudy/gold-trimmed GRAY or BLUE uniforms, NO great war horses, NO flashing sabers & with damned little “glory” to be had by anyone.

I pray to God that what I fear after 03NOV20 will NOT come to pass BUT if I have to I still know how, even at my age, to lead a regiment-sized guerrilla force & will cause a great deal of HAVOC to disrupt/delay/destroy the opposing forces of the FAR LEFT. - Fyi, a person who is trained, as I once was, to fight guerrillas can also FIGHT/LEAD a force of GUERRILLAS.
(Official DA policy says that it takes 100-200 frontline troops to defeat ONE talented guerrilla, who is adequately supplied & “fighting on his home ground”.- In my experience, each guerrilla can “tie down” 300+ regular troops.)

Should a shooting civil war breakout, I will be FAR from the only guerrilla chief to field a fighting force of 10-300 fighters/support folks.
(Give any trained guerrilla leader one to 100+ two-five member teams & such a group will tie-up a Brigade or even a Division of regular “main force” troops.)

Yours, TMN78247


230 posted on 07/21/2020 2:10:13 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, F'by 241836)
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To: DuncanWaring

Of course buy now. But how long will such a conflict last? What will be the supply sources a year into a conflict? Five years? A decade? Who will control ammunition supply, logistics, supply chains, etc?

It won’t be like the Union owning all the industrial production in the Civil War. It will be more like how the Taliban and other guerrilla groups around the world get their weapons and ammunition.


231 posted on 07/21/2020 2:10:39 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Kaslin

May God bless and protect America.

Thanks for posting the whole article. :-)


232 posted on 07/21/2020 2:15:24 PM PDT by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga #Godwins)
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To: TMN78247

Frankly, I don’t know if STONE bullets would work or not.
(I would guess that stone/granite would damage your barrel.)


That is why I would put metal jacketing on it, something to think about. The other thing is a sabot round, I know the government was looking into small sabots, such as would fit a .50 or even a NATO 7.62. Their problem was that it would bounce around in the barrel. I know that shotguns have used slugs but a sabot fleschette would have different ballistics and there is no way to trace the barrel. That is where my mind is going on this.


233 posted on 07/21/2020 2:19:03 PM PDT by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

IF what you seem to believe is likely to happen DOES OCCUR, I know how to “live off of” the enemy forces, for as long as is necessary.

I suggest that you read up on the history of the first months of Wendell Fertig’s guerrilla in the Philippines against the Japanese forces in 1942.
(BG Fertig had less than 50 fighters until the last months of 1942 & his rag-tag/poorly supplied group of US military & a few Filipino local nationals tied down over 18,000 “crack” Japanese troops.)

Yours, TMN78247


234 posted on 07/21/2020 2:24:30 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, F'by 241836)
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To: TMN78247

Thanks for the reference. I’ll look that up.


235 posted on 07/21/2020 2:25:44 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: joegoeny

Have you considered GLASS as the projectile inside a soft lead sabot??

Yours, TMN78247


236 posted on 07/21/2020 2:26:47 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, F'by 241836)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

If the Unpleasantness lasts long enough to burn through my existing supply, I’ll long-since have died.


237 posted on 07/21/2020 2:29:29 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TMN78247

It’s been said the IRA never had more than 200 active rebels at any one time … nonetheless, they managed to keep the Brits in knots for decades.


238 posted on 07/21/2020 2:32:45 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; All

Will you please stop pinging me to threads I haven’t engaged?


239 posted on 07/21/2020 2:37:11 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Kaslin

Kinda gave up reading at “The coup plotters will act quickly to seize the critical levers of power, before any opposition has a chance to react.“ The response would be rapid, vicious, and overwhelming. Military would depose the coup quickly. Any sign of support for the coup would be an immediate target by a million lone wolves.

This is why The Swamp must maintain an air of legitimacy.


240 posted on 07/21/2020 3:15:53 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Interesting how those so interested in workERS are so disinterested in workING.)
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