Posted on 06/02/2020 10:08:52 AM PDT by conservative98
The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terrorist movement.”
“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.
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Thank you. You have helped restore my faith in the quality of discourse on this board. After so much total BS being posted on this matter, it is good to read a sensible post.
Based on what I have read on the threads discussing the sorry death of Mr. Floyd, very few current Freepers have ever manned an ambulance, worked an ER, taken out an appendix, taken a Red Cross course in BCLS/CPR or ACLS, or even are familiar with the basic anatomy of the human neck. Yet they all seem to voice strong opinions about the cause of death here, from the alleged damage done by the cop’s actions, and are not afraid to spew insults at anyone that does not agree with their “erudite” opinions. If I were JimRob I would be rather unhappy with these developments. When I joined this board I think the discussions were a good bit more rational.
I would add two points to your post.
(1) Why would the cops put Mr. Floyd down next to the vehicle, lying on his side, and then hold him in that position, braced with a knee, so that he could not flip over onto his back? If you think about it, having encountered him shortly after he had taken his”mind altering substances” and when he was showing behavioral changes, there would be a concern that Floyd was showing early signs of drug toxicity that could progress and lead to mental status changes and loss of consciousness. So what would they do then? Call for an ambulance (which apparently they did at some point), and then put him on the ground and PLACE HIM ON HIS SIDE so that if he did vomit (a common occurrence) the acid-laden material brought up from his stomach would be expelled via his mouth and NOT BE ASPIRATED (sent down into his lungs while he was inhaling). Aspiration of that material can be a rather dire event. So placing/leaving him a different position (e.g., sitting up or on his back) in those circumstances could have led to claims of negligence. The comments by the individual taking the cell phone video notwithstanding (questioning why the cops had him on his side), the defense attorneys likely will have a field day here, assuming they have the chance to make this argument, since many cops are trained in those “pre-hospital” treatment protocols, and what is shown in the video is “just doing their job”..
(2) Much has been made on recent threads here of the alleged obstruction of blood flow to Mr. Floyds brain by the cop, while he was putting pressure on the lateral surface of the neck with his knee. Again, nonsense. There are 4 big arteries entering the skull and feeding the brain—I will try to put it in simple terms—all 4 of these arteries feed into a single circular structure (the “Circle of Willis”—look it up) that provides flow to both the upper and lower portions of the brain. You would have to block all 4 to completely stop perfusion of the brain, and there are some older folk wandering around with a completely blocked left or right carotid artery, who are ostensibly functioning normally. Why? Because the other 3 arteries would continue to provide perfusion, keeping the entire brain adequately supplied with nutrients and oxygen.
And even if the notion of the key role of a single artery for brain function was correct, the likelihood that the cop was blocking/damaging the carotid in any way by having his knee in the position it was in, with the neck as it was, is essentially zero. Do you know the scene in “Bad Day at Black Rock”, where Spencer Tracy takes out the local thug by a karate chop to the left anterio-lateral base of the neck? That might get to the carotid, with enough trauma to the belly of the sternocleidomastoid muscle. The carotid has key functions, and nature has given it good protection. But the cop’s knee placed where it was—no way. Just ask anyone who is familiar with mammalian or specifically human anatomy. But why this point was lost on the two pathologists who were hired by the family’s lawyer—I have no clue.
It will all be sorted out in court. And I think more than a few will be shocked by the result, based on the nonsense spread by the media.
As far as your points 1 and 2.
The police themselves discuss that in the unedited 9-minute video cited in the charging documents. You said: Why would the cops put Mr. Floyd down next to the vehicle, lying on his side, and then hold him in that position, braced with a knee, so that he could not flip over onto his back?
But the charging document says:
The officers said, “You are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” None of the three officers moved from their positions.
Your attempted rhetorical kill shot gets even the basic elemental facts of the case, backed up, not by error-prone eyewitness testimony, but by video... DEAD WRONG.
If your premises start out wrong, your good faith is in doubt.
For your second point.
Both autopsies -- that performed by the state coroner, and the one by the examiner retained by the deceased's family -- agree that the policemen's actions contributed to his death.
You are attempting to wriggle out by blowing a cloud of ink, on a point conceded by both the state, and the victim's family.
Combined with your untruth / inaccuracy about the very body position of the dead man?
Bye bye, Felicia.
And the JBT boots you rode in on.
It does not change the fact that you and pukes like you have convicted the cop without trial but you have.
The government agent convicted the citizen without a trial, too. He’s dead. Police tactics like that coming soon to a Trump rally near you. Too bad some checkers playing bigots can’t seem to understand that after Manafort, Stone, Flynn, etc.
Well Mr. Wiskers, you appear to have the advantage of me, in that I have not seen this “9 minute video” you cite,and have not seen the “charging document”. The video I viewed on Youtube was slightly shorter, and appeared to me to be as described. If your presentation is correct, the cop is apparently dead to rights.
Nothing will be significant. There isn’t a jury on Earth that would watch the video and acquit.
Exactly. Our tough on rioters local sheriff was calling this “murder” today and said he was “shocked” the other officers did not intervene during the many minutes long assault on a handcuffed and unconscious prisoner. The whole world except a few race obsessed bigots on the internet can see this murder under color of law plainly for what it is.
The grammar police on this site can be brutal
In this country we send criminals to jail. Summary execution happens in Iran.
I doubt there will be a trial. He’s 44 years old and facing a defacto life sentence between state and federal charges. They’ll roll all the charges up and he’ll take a plea deal for 20 years. The alternative is certain conviction due to the video, consecutive state and federal sentences and dying in prison.
“I’m aware he wasn’t asphyxiated.”
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The famed Dr. Michael Baden, one of two doctors to conduct an independent autopsy on George Floyd, concluded that Floyd died of asphyxiation at the hands of local police on May 25.
Yes the trial has not happened and maybe in strict legalese the policeman is “alleged”
But come on Man there are too many videos to doubt it.
Look Floyd was NO choir boy but the cop in this case is worse
THAT does not excuse the crap the blacks and looters are doing
I may be a puke to you but that cop is the lowest form of scum alive
The damage he has done to the millions of amazing decent police is stunning
I’m sure he would. It would probably be the best resolution. But this high profile a case, I doubt there will be a deal. I hear the protesters calling for 1st degree murder and a death penalty. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the charges upped for political reasons. I doubt MN will overturn their century plus ban on executions, if they did it wouldn’t be retroactive. But shows you how ill informed some of these people are.
[[Aspiration of that material can be a rather dire event. So placing/leaving him a different position (e.g., sitting up or on his back) in those circumstances could have led to claims of negligence.]]
Exactly- I think the policeman even mentioned something along those lines from what another poster said yesterday- that he could vomit if turned on side-
[[And even if the notion of the key role of a single artery for brain function was correct, the likelihood that the cop was blocking/damaging the carotid in any way by having his knee in the position it was in, with the neck as it was, is essentially zero. ]]
Agreed- as you stated- it takes more than one or two blocked off to cause brain issues- I’m surprised Baden made the comments he did abbot that- He even went so far as to claim the ‘Diaphragm was prevented from functioning’ because of ‘a knee on his back’ At no point did i see the officer’s other knee on the mans back the diaphragm was nowhere near the knee on the head-
[[Do you know the scene in “Bad Day at Black Rock”, where Spencer Tracy takes out the local thug by a karate chop to the left anterio-lateral base of the neck?]]
Shawn Hannity- the ‘Karate Expert’ tried to claim that one swift chop to neck would result in oxygen deprivation to brain- or some such thing- Amazingly Baden agreed with him- I couldn’t beleive wehat i was hearing last night on his show- it was sickening really-
Fox news must have given the orders to everyone at fox that the policeman is guilty of murder and that is that- I heard only one person all day the other day on fox mention the toxicology report and try to make the case that george likely was having heart attack before being cuffed even, but the fox personality poo poo’d it all the way- Rick Rikemeuth (sp?)- All the personalities on Fox are screaming ‘murder- dirty cop- murder- racism’ practically-
[[It will all be sorted out in court. And I think more than a few will be shocked by the result,]]
I just hope he gets a fair trial- this whole thing is so volatile right now- i can’t see how he can get an impartial jury- Fox news already has him convicted of murder-
Given that one part of the video, shows Mr. Kneecap pulling out and brandishing his can of Mace, at a bystander approaching to help, that might be enough to establish intent...?
Remember, nobody likes a dirty cop.
Except other dirty cops and the policeman's union.
******”Dying from a heroin overdose is not called murder.”*******
The evidence says George Floyd died from asphyxiation—not a fentanyl overdose.
In this case it wasn’t “cardiac arrest” it was asphyxiation causing a lack of oxygen to the brain. When the brain stops, the heart stops.
Might be enough, but risky if it were the sole charge. I was a little surprised at 3rd rather than 2nd as the top charge. But the prosecutor knows more than we do, and overcharging doesn’t make sense.
[[So now the cop was “standing” on St. Floyd’s neck, not just placing his knee on it. Next, they’ll have him digging his heel into it.]]
With rusty nails and broken glass embedded in the heel
The point was, one of the other policemen helping to hold him down said there wasn’t a pulse. That’s cardiac arrest.
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