Posted on 03/21/2020 7:36:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
A variation on the theme of the cold -- a cold with an attitude. Is Western civilization going to collapse over a cold?
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As Newsweek stated a few months earlier:
[A] cold can also have more severe symptoms in the very young and the very old. Older people are more likely to develop a more serious infection compared with adults or older children. And people who smoke -- or who are exposed to second-hand smoke -- are also more likely to get a cold and have more severe symptoms.
Another group of people who are more severely affected by infection with cold-causing viruses are people with an existing lung condition. They can include people with asthma, cystic fibrosis or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Infection with a virus that causes inflammation of the airways can make breathing much harder. People with COPD who catch a mild cold virus are also at risk of developing a bacterial infection. – Newsweek, “Why the Common Cold can Sometimes be Deadly”
That is what we are experiencing.
Is the death rate from the coronavirus higher in the very old? So is the death rate from colds (see above). Yet, we see that many people are asymptomatic.
The biggest breakdown yet of novel coronavirus cases suggests that 80% are mild. Some patients never show symptoms. -- Business Insider
Many do not show symptoms?! Of course not! Everyone has had colds in their lives, and we acquire immunity from them. Those who have already had colds from similar strains of coronavirus will have acquired a degree of immunity. Hence, the rather high 80% of people who do not show serious symptoms.
Coronaviruses are an extremely common cause of colds and other upper respiratory infections. -- Harvard Health
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
CDC Data from 2017. Number of American deaths from pneumonia. 49,157. Old people do die. My dad died from it two months ago.
Oh yes! Credentialism is going to save us all! The same agencies who conducted the Tuskegee Experiment, told us margarine is better than butter, invented the food pyramid and still fight low carb diets should be the Authoritah!
There’s also this Statin thing too, as well as the modern quaalude of SSRI.
So no. I don’t trust them. They are seeking control.
No, just you bowtie types.
Interesting; thank you for sharing!
During the 1918 flu epidemic, Camp Merritt along the NJ Palisades (overlooking the Hudson River and NYC) was a major transit point for troops, and the sickness spread from there (killing nearly 600 soldiers at the camp itself).
“This is a cold! Is Western Civilization going to collapse over this?”
No. People will rebel first.
24: - best post of thread.
Having a credential does not make one incapable of error.
24: - best post of thread.
Having a credential does not make one incapable of error.
RE: Source of that number? Thx.
This is what I found:
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
(EXCERPT)
So how do these numbers compare to flu deaths in previous years? So far, it looks like the 2019-2020 death toll wont be as high as it was in the 2017-2018 season, when 61,000 deaths were linked to the virus. However, it could equal or surpass the 2018-2019 season’s 34,200 flu-related deaths.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
The annual death rate depends on the specific strain of the virus that is dominant, how well the vaccine is working to protect against that strain, and how many people got vaccinated, says Dr. Adalja. The flu is harder to fight off for specific populations, such as infants and young children, the elderly, and people who are immunocompromised due to chronic illnesses such as HIV or cancer.
First, its not a cold. Colds are rhinoviruses.
Second, its not the deaths that are killing the economy...its the extended sick times in ICU beds for the approx 10% of infected.
Third, this is more akin to the Spanish Flu...which was also a coronavirus and not really a flu.
Fourth, this is a lower respiratory disease. This is the kind of virus that causes you to cough and cough, and get no relief. You can cough hard enough to damage the lungs and bring up blood.
Fifth, the overwhelming of the healthcare systems is going to cause deaths in other areas. That is why it is critical to keep that curve coming down.
No, this is not the black death. Yes, this can be mild in most cases. There are good medical reasons to keep everyone distanced from each other.
Will it end the world? I am highly skeptical. It WILL make it suck for a while.
One by one the Rat/Rino Governors are going for total shut downs. The DNC has sent out the word with instructions to stagger it. This brings huge Pressure on Trump. If he moderates at all and it spreads they will us it as a club. The Idiot Doctor gave them the cover with his shut the country down 4-6 weeks MINIMUM “advice”. F’n disaster any way you look at it.
I knew a guy in his early 20s who died of leukemia. No China Virus was involved.
Most of the contagion in China was among families. I know we are not supposed to quote China...but some of the anecdotal information in the early days is coming to fruition here.
Having a genetic predisposition to this thing may have contributed.
The only virus that we let bring us to our knees.
A: No.
Therfore: Buy stocks as they are down, bottoming out and recovering.
I find more than 9 time out of 10, if you read an article completely about an under 50 person dying, you will get to the line about other complications.
But it’s what sells. And that’s what media does.
Always has been, always will.
OF COURSE there are exceptions.
I didn’t know we were a country ruled by exceptions now.
i’m down for a 6 week quarantine. I don’t want to see lots of old folks and already sick folks die.
But up to 18 months like some “experts” are talking? No way.
It's essentially an agent of viral pneumonia, and it most definitely can kill - and not just the elderly and those with medical conditions. If you can't oxygenate, you die. Plain and simple. Whether you have a mild case or not depends on whether or not you develop pneumonia, and what extent of pneumonia you develop. There are probably a number of factors that determine this, most of which we haven't yet identified.
All that said, I do believe that we are turning the corner on this virus - primarily because we are slowing its spread, and we have three mechanistically solid approaches for targeting it: 1. Agents to alter viral shedding from cells - primarily targeted to the unique mechanism of coronaviruses to leave cells via the golgi apparatus (this is how hydroxychloroquine can inhibit this virus). 2. Agents that target viral dependence on RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (e.g. remdesivir). 3. Vaccines, in testing.
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