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US Boy Scouts files for bankruptcy after abuse scandal
Breitbart/AFP ^ | 2/18/2020 | Staff

Posted on 02/18/2020 4:02:39 AM PST by bkopto

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To: I want the USA back

“Another great America institution destroyed by liberalism.”

As much as I want to agree with you, I’m afraid there is more to it.

The principal cause was our wanton destruction of marriage. More than 50% of the kids are growing up without a Dad. One of the rules (when scouting was good) was that no kids could go camping without a certain number of Dads in the group.

A guy that used to work for me in the 80’s would go camping with kids almost every weekend. He finally came in one day looking very depressed and said he had just told the Scouts that he couldn’t do it anymore. He said, “I’ve go to have my life back, I just can’t go every weekend.

I asked why he was doing it and his answer almost brought me to tears. His sons had many friends that wanted to go as well but they were all being raised by single moms. He would go along as a stand in Dad so they could go camping. He said, “man I just can’t stand to have them look at me with those sad eyes, but I’ve got things I just have to do on some weekends.”

Shortly thereafter the Scouts announced that adult males could join without being Dads. And the gates were unlocked.


61 posted on 02/18/2020 6:14:22 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Waverunner

My son is an Eagle Scout. It taught him to think for himself, trained him in leadership, gave him a healthy respect for guns, and taught him about citizenship. He’s hard-working and is able to manage his time and set goals which he then unfailingly achieves. I despise what they’ve done to the Scouts. Leftists are evil and destroy everything they touch.


62 posted on 02/18/2020 6:34:10 AM PST by punknpuss
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To: cba123

Thank you. $446.000.000.00 collateral. 140,000 hectares. JP Morgan.

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” . . . Top BSA officials signed the document in March, but members of the Philmont Ranch Committee only recently learned of the development, according to committee member Mark Stinnett.

In a memo sent to his fellow members, Stinnett — a Colorado-based lawyer — decried the financial maneuver and the lack of consultation with the committee.

“I cannot begin to tell you how sorry I am to be the one to break this news to you,” Stinnett wrote. “The first point of the Scout Law is ‘A Scout is trustworthy.’ I am distressed beyond words at learning that our leaders apparently have not been.”

“But I am even more distressed to learn that Waite Phillips’ magnificent gift has now been put at risk,” Stinnett added.

Phillips was a successful oilman who used some of his fortune to develop a huge ranch in northeastern New Mexico. In 1938, and again in 1941, he donated two large tracts of the ranch to the Boy Scouts.

Since the first Boy Scout camp opened there in 1939, more than 1 million Scouts and other adventurers have camped and hiked on the property, which now covers more than 140,000 acres (56,650 hectares). One of its many trails leads to the 12,441-foot (3,793-meter) summit of Baldy Mountain.

In a statement provided to The Associated Press, the Boy Scouts said programming and operations at Philmont “continue uninterrupted, and we are committed to ensuring that the property will continue to serve and benefit the Scouting community for years to come. “

“In the face of rising insurance costs, it was necessary for the BSA to take some actions earlier this year to address our current financial situation,” the BSA said. “This included identifying certain properties, including Philmont Scout Ranch, that could be used as collateral …. in order to keep in place an existing line of credit for insurance.”

Disclosure of the mortgage comes at a challenging time for the BSA, which for years has been entangled in costly litigation with plaintiffs who said they were abused by scout leaders in their youth. Hundreds of new lawsuits loom after New York, New Jersey, Arizona and California enacted laws making it easier for victims of long-ago abuse to seek damages.

The BSA, headquartered in Irving, Texas, says it’s exploring “all available options” to maintain its programs and has not ruled out the possibility of filing for bankruptcy.

Seeking to ease some of the financial pressure, the BSA announced in October that the annual membership fee for its 2.2. million youth members will rise from $33 to $60, while the fee for adult volunteers will rise from $33 to $36. The news dismayed numerous local scout leaders, who had already started registering youths for the coming year.

According to Stinnett, the BSA used the ranch as collateral to secure $446 million of debt with J.P. Morgan Chase.

Stinnett wrote that ranch committee member Julie Puckett — a granddaughter of Waite Phillips — had urged BSA officials in recent weeks to recognize Philmont as a restricted asset based on the understandings of all parties when Phillips donated the land.. . “. . .


63 posted on 02/18/2020 6:37:18 AM PST by Norski
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To: cba123

Thank you. $446.000.000.00 collateral. 140,000 hectares. JP Morgan.

A $446 million dollar line of credit.

Cui Bono?

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” . . . Top BSA officials signed the document in March, but members of the Philmont Ranch Committee only recently learned of the development, according to committee member Mark Stinnett.

In a memo sent to his fellow members, Stinnett — a Colorado-based lawyer — decried the financial maneuver and the lack of consultation with the committee.

“I cannot begin to tell you how sorry I am to be the one to break this news to you,” Stinnett wrote. “The first point of the Scout Law is ‘A Scout is trustworthy.’ I am distressed beyond words at learning that our leaders apparently have not been.”

“But I am even more distressed to learn that Waite Phillips’ magnificent gift has now been put at risk,” Stinnett added.

Phillips was a successful oilman who used some of his fortune to develop a huge ranch in northeastern New Mexico. In 1938, and again in 1941, he donated two large tracts of the ranch to the Boy Scouts.

Since the first Boy Scout camp opened there in 1939, more than 1 million Scouts and other adventurers have camped and hiked on the property, which now covers more than 140,000 acres (56,650 hectares). One of its many trails leads to the 12,441-foot (3,793-meter) summit of Baldy Mountain.

In a statement provided to The Associated Press, the Boy Scouts said programming and operations at Philmont “continue uninterrupted, and we are committed to ensuring that the property will continue to serve and benefit the Scouting community for years to come. “

“In the face of rising insurance costs, it was necessary for the BSA to take some actions earlier this year to address our current financial situation,” the BSA said. “This included identifying certain properties, including Philmont Scout Ranch, that could be used as collateral …. in order to keep in place an existing line of credit for insurance.”

Disclosure of the mortgage comes at a challenging time for the BSA, which for years has been entangled in costly litigation with plaintiffs who said they were abused by scout leaders in their youth. Hundreds of new lawsuits loom after New York, New Jersey, Arizona and California enacted laws making it easier for victims of long-ago abuse to seek damages.

The BSA, headquartered in Irving, Texas, says it’s exploring “all available options” to maintain its programs and has not ruled out the possibility of filing for bankruptcy.

Seeking to ease some of the financial pressure, the BSA announced in October that the annual membership fee for its 2.2. million youth members will rise from $33 to $60, while the fee for adult volunteers will rise from $33 to $36. The news dismayed numerous local scout leaders, who had already started registering youths for the coming year.

According to Stinnett, the BSA used the ranch as collateral to secure $446 million of debt with J.P. Morgan Chase.

Stinnett wrote that ranch committee member Julie Puckett — a granddaughter of Waite Phillips — had urged BSA officials in recent weeks to recognize Philmont as a restricted asset based on the understandings of all parties when Phillips donated the land.. . “. . .


64 posted on 02/18/2020 6:41:09 AM PST by Norski
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To: Norski

For the record....... last month, our troop grew by 23 scouts who were all graduating Weblos.

The pack is also growing as parents know that BSA is a terrific program for their sons and daughters.


65 posted on 02/18/2020 6:44:36 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: Waverunner

Bump!


66 posted on 02/18/2020 6:45:27 AM PST by painter ( Isaiah: �Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: EvilCapitalist

Kind of like how the abuse scandal in the Catholic church is reported. Its all about how the priests are pedophiles but no mention that they are overwhelmingly homosexual.


67 posted on 02/18/2020 6:49:37 AM PST by penguinhunter
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To: ZagFan
I meant to say "and no witnesses or contemporaneous "people who knew."

Recent headline in the Philadelphia Inquirer:

Philly’s Catholic archdiocese paid a six-figure clergy sex-abuse settlement. Then the accuser’s lawyer admitted he identified the wrong priest.

And from the article: "The archdiocese maintains that its victim compensation fund settled the case over the alleged conduct of the latter priest, who died more than two decades ago."

https://www.inquirer.com/news/mitchell-garabedian-clergy-sex-abuse-archdiocese-philadelphia-john-bradley-20200215.html

68 posted on 02/18/2020 6:50:31 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good." - Romans 12:9)
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To: bert

I do know that. I was a Boy Scout.

You obviously did not get the point I was making. Maybe it’s your ignorance.


69 posted on 02/18/2020 6:59:06 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Antoninus

So I guess prohibiting homosexuals didn’t really help the problem. Back then they were in the closet, often married with kids , so it was not apparent. With them out of the closet they could be better monitored and less likely to strike

Just a thought


70 posted on 02/18/2020 7:10:36 AM PST by Sir_Humphrey (Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people -Socrates)
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To: rbg81

Gee....it’s almost like the homosexuals WANTED to ruin institutions like the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church.


There were plenty of people inside of both organizations only too happy to let it happen.

When I became an adult leader of the local troop, the mandatory training was administered at the catholic church that sponsored the troop.

They went out of their way to explain that pedophilia and homosexuality were 100% unrelated.

I’m an eagle scout, as are both my brothers. I pulled both my sons out of scouts after 1 year, back in 2009. It was already over.


71 posted on 02/18/2020 7:11:50 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: Sir_Humphrey

Actually, queers were never the problem

Lawyers after a soft target are now and always have been the problem

With BSA in Chapter 11, maybe the lawyers will go after churches and choir director and priests


72 posted on 02/18/2020 7:13:18 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: EvilCapitalist

To be fair, the problem they are dealing with is that they had homosexuals in the system for generations, the abuse goes back decades, they have records showing they new about it, but they didn’t report to police, and they didn’t remove all of the predators.

They had the rules that disallowed homosexuals from leadership, but apparently had places where that wasn’t enforced.

In my district, we had a guy run for office in the early 2000’s, and he was openly gay, and one of his bio points was that he was a scoutmaster of a local troop. Nobody asked how an openly gay person could be a scoutmaster, it was just accepted that if nobody complained, the BSA did nothing about it.

The recent moves were just confirming what was already the case in some instances, and forcing that on everybody else.


73 posted on 02/18/2020 7:30:15 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bkopto

Get Woke, Go Broke


74 posted on 02/18/2020 7:31:18 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Antoninus

“Homosexual pedophiles are not child molesters, ask the Catholic Church.”

I thought the sarcasm was obvious. Live and learn.


75 posted on 02/18/2020 7:44:57 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's no coincidence that the DemocRAT/media complex always sides with America's enemies.)
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To: EvilCapitalist

“homosexuals?”

Not all homosexuals prey on children. Pedophiles are the lowest of the breed. Even criminals in prison take them out when they are placed in the general population. The homosexual choice of lifestyle is bad enough. But the worst of it is the pedophiles who prey.

We’re stuck with the homosexuals as our liberal opponents twist the law. But no one should have to put up with pedophiles. They don’t deserve their privilege in this country.

rwood


76 posted on 02/18/2020 8:13:51 AM PST by Redwood71
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First go to a target rich environment......... churches.

Then whine about BSA

I don't quite understand your post.

Both of those organizations were targeted by sodomites because they provided relatively easy access to boys. It is the same exact problem. weak leadership sacrificed our sons on the altar of political correctness. Both organizations betrayed their oaths.

The only way to solve the situation is to get the sodomites out of those organizations.

77 posted on 02/18/2020 8:53:09 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ConservativeWarrior
They went out of their way to explain that pedophilia and homosexuality were 100% unrelated.

Sadly, there is homo cabal in the Church that actually believes that. We've been trying to oust them for a generation now. But with the society at large becoming ever more "sodomy-friendly", it has been a challenge to say the least.
78 posted on 02/18/2020 8:57:13 AM PST by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Leep
Why would a homosexual male be interested in working with young boys anyhow?

Since they don't reproduce, they have to recruit.

79 posted on 02/18/2020 12:59:36 PM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: bkopto

The Leftist win again.

It fell to the sex cult and the perverts wanting to pervert society.

This is really sad because the Boy Scouts was a good all American group before they were taken over by P.C. crap


80 posted on 02/18/2020 1:14:58 PM PST by Enlightened1
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