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“One of the ugliest political spectacles I have ever witnessed” (puke)
Patheos (and pathetic it is) ^ | FEBRUARY 8, 2020 | DAN PETERSON

Posted on 02/10/2020 12:30:42 AM PST by robowombat

“One of the ugliest political spectacles I have ever witnessed”

FEBRUARY 8, 2020 BY DAN PETERSON

From a recent article by the superb conservative commentator Jonah Goldberg:

I have criticized—and defended—Mitt Romney many times. But the effort, admittedly mostly from the worst goons, buffoons, and satraps of Trumpism, to describe him as a person of low character in defense of President Trump is one of the ugliest political spectacles I have ever witnessed. Has Romney at times been calculating? Of course. He’s a politician. But the suggestion that he is not an honest or decent man because he was “disloyal” to such a profoundly dishonest and indecent man is an exercise in mobbish immorality and the madness of crowds. And by the way, all of these gibbons and poltroons yammering on about how he was disloyal never seem to dwell on the question of why Trump should demand his loyalty in the first place? What does Romney owe Donald Trump? What trust or bond has he “betrayed”? Romney wasn’t elected because of Donald Trump.

If you honestly would prefer your children grow up to be more like Donald Trump than Mitt Romney, I don’t know that there’s anything left to talk about. Watch his actual speech on the floor. I have no problem with people who disagree with his reasoning. But to come away thinking he’s anything other than a man molded by charactering-building institutions (his family, his church, the Senate itself) who is trying to do right by them strikes me as a kind of Trump-personality-cult derangement. And speaking of the d-word, last week I noted the effort to bend all of conservatism and the Republican Party to the cause of personal loyalty to Donald Trump was a form of intellectual corruption. This week we saw it could actually get worse. The hysterics insisting that Romney must be kicked out of the GOP—an effort Mitch McConnell sees for the idiocy it is—are in effect arguing that you can vote for all of Trump’s judges and the vast bulk of his legislative initiatives and it counts for nothing if you don’t accept full baptism into his cult of personality.

I’ve been saying for 20 years that the cult of unity is a poison and that the hero in the American political tradition is not the mob, but the man who stands up to it. This week there was one hero and it wasn’t Donald Trump.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: esadmittromney; patheosux; puke
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To: robowombat

Way too close to Burisma to be unbiased.


61 posted on 02/10/2020 5:23:43 AM PST by maddogtiger
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To: robowombat
the hero is not the mob, but the man who stands up to it

Good description of Trump vs The Establishment

62 posted on 02/10/2020 5:26:41 AM PST by kanawa ((Trump Loves a Great Deal (NorthernSentinel)))
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To: robowombat
What is it with the LDS?

Mormons were outsiders in a country dominated by Mainstream Protestants, so they were defensive and held back from the prevailing culture. They aren't outsiders anymore - they have a place at the table - so they are assuming the attitudes of their Mainstream Protestant peers.

Something similar happened to Catholics. They have assimilated to the ways of neighbors who once excluded them. The Catholic hierarchy makes the Church's situation a little different, but upscale Catholics aren't different from their upscale Protestant peers.

Mormons are the descendants of the Puritans, figuratively and sometimes literally, so they have inherited and maintain many of the attitudes of the Puritans and look haughty and self-righteous to outsiders. They are also an entrepreneurial people, and think that they will benefit from globalization.

You could draw a parallel with Quebec. English Canadians feared losing their culture, such as it was, and weren't enthusiastic about NAFTA. French Canadians, after years of living under the thumb of the English speakers, weren't afraid of losing their culture and were feeling entrepreneurial so they were more likely to support the trade agreement.

63 posted on 02/10/2020 5:30:47 AM PST by x
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To: Elsie

Looking at the data
- https://religionnews.com/2015/09/03/are-single-mormon-women-screwed/
- it appears that polygamy may soon return to MormonISM!!


64 posted on 02/10/2020 5:34:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

‘officially’


65 posted on 02/10/2020 5:35:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: hopespringseternal

“Ultimately though, the standards Trump actually ends up violating belong to the commies, not the never Trump conservatives.”

This makes no sense. The commies hate America and anyone who denies them power. They object to and hate any Republican President, even the “Presidential” ones. Not just Trump.

“The never Trump conservatives simply have the follower mentality that has bedeviled the GOP for forty years. They have never learned how to take charge and set their own standards so every game is played on the commies field using commie rules.”

Disagree. The problem with Republican politicians in general is that are afraid of the media and want to be liked by them. They hate negative press and fold up instead of fighting. Never Trumpers are usually media types who are used to bad press. They hate Trump because they think his personal behavior reflects badly on the party.

“Geldings like Goldberg have never figured out that will always be a losing proposition. They would have voted for Jeb, whose entire campaign would have been nothing more than a months long concession speech.”

Given a choice between voting for Jeb or Hillary who would you choose?


66 posted on 02/10/2020 5:40:33 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's no coincidence that the DemocRAT/media complex always sides with America's enemies.)
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To: McGavin999

I stopped reading at “From a recent article by the superb conservative commentator Jonah Goldberg:”

Goldberg is a never Trump rat and so is Romney. A rat is a traitor.


67 posted on 02/10/2020 5:45:27 AM PST by DeplorablePaul (s)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

After 3 years of the criminal conspiracy of DemocRats to overthrow Trump for purely partisan purposes, people being upset at Romney’s vindictive vote is the ugliest political spectacle? That’s derangement.


Exactly. It’s chattering class buffoonery. I’m not even going to bother reading it. Comments here are more spot on anything shoveled by the Never Trumpers these days.


68 posted on 02/10/2020 6:41:44 AM PST by lodi90
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To: robowombat

Shitbirds of a feather stick together.


69 posted on 02/10/2020 6:57:39 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: robowombat
Again, I don't question Romney's motivation or honesty, I question his judgment. He would have us believe that PT was motivated by political gain, and that the RATs only moved to impeachment as somber defenders of the constitutional order.

Would he have us believe he's that much a fool?

70 posted on 02/10/2020 7:11:40 AM PST by gogeo (The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
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To: robowombat; All

71 posted on 02/10/2020 7:23:40 AM PST by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: bagster

The three Dems in the House who didn’t go along with the rest of them on impeachment? What are they? Answer: Chopped liver.


72 posted on 02/10/2020 8:08:54 AM PST by Eleutheria5 ("SHUT UP!" he explained.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

I don’t know about Jonah Goldberg, but I have heard other “Never Trumpers” say they would rather vote for a Democrat than for Donald Trump. In other words, they would rather turn America into a Communist utopia than to vote for Trump. To me that should be very telling where these Never Trumpers want to head the country.


73 posted on 02/10/2020 8:10:45 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: McGavin999

I despise Jonah Golberg with a white hot passion.


74 posted on 02/10/2020 8:12:14 AM PST by Conserv
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To: robowombat

Dear dan Peterson. Bite me.
Quite sincerely, ‘Pod


75 posted on 02/10/2020 9:41:32 AM PST by sauropod (If women are upset at TrumpÂ’s naughty words, who bought 80 million copies of 50 Shades of Grey?)
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To: robowombat

Maybe the higher levels have been infiltrated by the Democrat/FBI?


76 posted on 02/10/2020 9:44:49 AM PST by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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To: robowombat

LDS = Money and Power! The church they built here in Apex NC oozes of it! Only thing I can compare it to is the church of scientology!


77 posted on 02/10/2020 10:08:33 AM PST by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: All
Thank all of you Freepers for your time and effort. The responses here are truly educational and a couple pretty frightening. This is the sort of response I was hoping for. Again many thanks.
78 posted on 02/10/2020 10:32:26 AM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Disagree. The problem with Republican politicians in general is that are afraid of the media and want to be liked by them.

That was the point I was trying to make. Being afraid of the media and trying to appease them is playing by the other side's rules.

Jeb is infinitely preferable to Hillary but he would also lose. I would vote for him as the (much) lesser evil, but I would not hold out any hope of him actually winning.

79 posted on 02/10/2020 2:08:06 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: robowombat

I quit reading after “by Jonah Goldberg”.

National Review died when Buckley did.


80 posted on 02/10/2020 2:14:54 PM PST by Fledermaus (Q babbleAnon folks are weird.)
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