Posted on 02/10/2020 12:30:42 AM PST by robowombat
“One of the ugliest political spectacles I have ever witnessed”
FEBRUARY 8, 2020 BY DAN PETERSON
From a recent article by the superb conservative commentator Jonah Goldberg:
I have criticized—and defended—Mitt Romney many times. But the effort, admittedly mostly from the worst goons, buffoons, and satraps of Trumpism, to describe him as a person of low character in defense of President Trump is one of the ugliest political spectacles I have ever witnessed. Has Romney at times been calculating? Of course. He’s a politician. But the suggestion that he is not an honest or decent man because he was “disloyal” to such a profoundly dishonest and indecent man is an exercise in mobbish immorality and the madness of crowds. And by the way, all of these gibbons and poltroons yammering on about how he was disloyal never seem to dwell on the question of why Trump should demand his loyalty in the first place? What does Romney owe Donald Trump? What trust or bond has he “betrayed”? Romney wasn’t elected because of Donald Trump.
If you honestly would prefer your children grow up to be more like Donald Trump than Mitt Romney, I don’t know that there’s anything left to talk about. Watch his actual speech on the floor. I have no problem with people who disagree with his reasoning. But to come away thinking he’s anything other than a man molded by charactering-building institutions (his family, his church, the Senate itself) who is trying to do right by them strikes me as a kind of Trump-personality-cult derangement. And speaking of the d-word, last week I noted the effort to bend all of conservatism and the Republican Party to the cause of personal loyalty to Donald Trump was a form of intellectual corruption. This week we saw it could actually get worse. The hysterics insisting that Romney must be kicked out of the GOP—an effort Mitch McConnell sees for the idiocy it is—are in effect arguing that you can vote for all of Trump’s judges and the vast bulk of his legislative initiatives and it counts for nothing if you don’t accept full baptism into his cult of personality.
I’ve been saying for 20 years that the cult of unity is a poison and that the hero in the American political tradition is not the mob, but the man who stands up to it. This week there was one hero and it wasn’t Donald Trump.
Way too close to Burisma to be unbiased.
Good description of Trump vs The Establishment
Mormons were outsiders in a country dominated by Mainstream Protestants, so they were defensive and held back from the prevailing culture. They aren't outsiders anymore - they have a place at the table - so they are assuming the attitudes of their Mainstream Protestant peers.
Something similar happened to Catholics. They have assimilated to the ways of neighbors who once excluded them. The Catholic hierarchy makes the Church's situation a little different, but upscale Catholics aren't different from their upscale Protestant peers.
Mormons are the descendants of the Puritans, figuratively and sometimes literally, so they have inherited and maintain many of the attitudes of the Puritans and look haughty and self-righteous to outsiders. They are also an entrepreneurial people, and think that they will benefit from globalization.
You could draw a parallel with Quebec. English Canadians feared losing their culture, such as it was, and weren't enthusiastic about NAFTA. French Canadians, after years of living under the thumb of the English speakers, weren't afraid of losing their culture and were feeling entrepreneurial so they were more likely to support the trade agreement.
Looking at the data
- https://religionnews.com/2015/09/03/are-single-mormon-women-screwed/
- it appears that polygamy may soon return to MormonISM!!
‘officially’
“Ultimately though, the standards Trump actually ends up violating belong to the commies, not the never Trump conservatives.”
This makes no sense. The commies hate America and anyone who denies them power. They object to and hate any Republican President, even the “Presidential” ones. Not just Trump.
“The never Trump conservatives simply have the follower mentality that has bedeviled the GOP for forty years. They have never learned how to take charge and set their own standards so every game is played on the commies field using commie rules.”
Disagree. The problem with Republican politicians in general is that are afraid of the media and want to be liked by them. They hate negative press and fold up instead of fighting. Never Trumpers are usually media types who are used to bad press. They hate Trump because they think his personal behavior reflects badly on the party.
“Geldings like Goldberg have never figured out that will always be a losing proposition. They would have voted for Jeb, whose entire campaign would have been nothing more than a months long concession speech.”
Given a choice between voting for Jeb or Hillary who would you choose?
I stopped reading at “From a recent article by the superb conservative commentator Jonah Goldberg:”
Goldberg is a never Trump rat and so is Romney. A rat is a traitor.
After 3 years of the criminal conspiracy of DemocRats to overthrow Trump for purely partisan purposes, people being upset at Romney’s vindictive vote is the ugliest political spectacle? That’s derangement.
Exactly. It’s chattering class buffoonery. I’m not even going to bother reading it. Comments here are more spot on anything shoveled by the Never Trumpers these days.
Shitbirds of a feather stick together.
Would he have us believe he's that much a fool?
The three Dems in the House who didn’t go along with the rest of them on impeachment? What are they? Answer: Chopped liver.
I don’t know about Jonah Goldberg, but I have heard other “Never Trumpers” say they would rather vote for a Democrat than for Donald Trump. In other words, they would rather turn America into a Communist utopia than to vote for Trump. To me that should be very telling where these Never Trumpers want to head the country.
I despise Jonah Golberg with a white hot passion.
Dear dan Peterson. Bite me.
Quite sincerely, ‘Pod
Maybe the higher levels have been infiltrated by the Democrat/FBI?
LDS = Money and Power! The church they built here in Apex NC oozes of it! Only thing I can compare it to is the church of scientology!
That was the point I was trying to make. Being afraid of the media and trying to appease them is playing by the other side's rules.
Jeb is infinitely preferable to Hillary but he would also lose. I would vote for him as the (much) lesser evil, but I would not hold out any hope of him actually winning.
I quit reading after “by Jonah Goldberg”.
National Review died when Buckley did.
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