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Fossils Suggest Tree-Dwelling Apes Walked Upright Long Before Hominids Did (Germany, 11M YA)
Science News ^ | 12-9-2019 | Bruce Bower

Posted on 12/09/2019 10:05:11 AM PST by blam

Tree-dwelling apes in Europe strode upright around 5 million years before members of the human evolutionary family hit the ground walking in Africa.

That’s the implication of fossils from a previously unknown ape that lived in what’s now Germany about 11.6 million years ago, say paleontologist Madelaine Böhme of the University of Tübingen in Germany and her colleagues. But the relation, if any, of these finds to the evolution of a two-legged stride in hominids by perhaps 6 million years ago is hazy (SN: 9/11/04).

Excavations in a section of a Bavarian clay pit produced 37 fossils from the ancient ape, dubbed Danuvius guggenmosi by the investigators. Bones from the most complete of four individuals represented by the new finds cover about 15 percent of that creature’s skeleton, including nearly complete specimens from the forearm and lower leg, Böhme’s team reports online November 6 in Nature. Earlier research had generated age estimates for fossil-bearing sediment in the German pit.

Danuvius’ limbs, spine and body proportions indicate that it could hang from branches, like present-day orangutans and gibbons, as well as walk on two legs slowly, somewhat like hominids that originated in Africa roughly 6 million to 7 million years ago, the researchers say. No other fossil or living ape has moved in trees and on the ground precisely as Danuvius did, they conclude. An ape built like Danuvius likely served as a common ancestor of great apes and hominids that emerged roughly 7 million years ago or more, Böhme contends.

If true, Danuvius’ body design would upend the long-standing idea that hominids evolved an upright stance after splitting from a common knuckle-walking, chimplike ancestor in Africa. The new finds also challenge an argument that hominids evolved from ancient apes built much like modern orangutans, which walk upright

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It has never occurred to me that Apes may have lived in Germany that long ago.
1 posted on 12/09/2019 10:05:11 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Still does not change my mind on getting a pet monkey that can drive a mini car and turn flips on command.


2 posted on 12/09/2019 10:09:36 AM PST by job
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To: blam

Well, they beat me also. I’m still struggling to walk upright. In physical and spiritual terms.


3 posted on 12/09/2019 10:10:16 AM PST by Migraine
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To: blam

Evolution is a hypothesis; to call it a theory is not scientific.
God’s creation and order are pure science.

Praise the Lord!


4 posted on 12/09/2019 10:12:07 AM PST by KDF48 (Redeemed by Christ.)
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To: blam

Interesting.


5 posted on 12/09/2019 10:12:35 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

The Denisovans May Have Been More Than a Single Species

This article is dated April 11, 2019. It is contained in my current issue of Discover Magazine dated December 7, 2019.

I read this article to say that there are/was three groups of Denisovians that were as distinct from each other as much as a Neanderthal differs from a Denisivian and that they should/could each be given a different name. Am I reading this correctly?

6 posted on 12/09/2019 10:13:18 AM PST by blam
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What, you mean it was warm in Europe? Tropical even?


7 posted on 12/09/2019 10:13:34 AM PST by dljordan
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Can't be true. History's "Ancient Aliens" show posits that we were created and modified (as needed) by extra-terrestials, and never went thru any primate phases. And I believe everything I see on CATV.
8 posted on 12/09/2019 10:15:38 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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And the Mid-East was a lush tropical forest, at one time, too. Heh.


9 posted on 12/09/2019 10:17:30 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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Dude. These were the aliens, man.

They just think that they were monkeys


10 posted on 12/09/2019 10:18:30 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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LOL.
That “AA” shows goes too fast around corners and off the road, many times. But they do put forth some interesting ideas, sometimes.


11 posted on 12/09/2019 10:22:59 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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It has never occurred to me that Apes may have lived in Germany that long ago.

Merkel's importing a fresh crop as fast as she can...

12 posted on 12/09/2019 10:27:15 AM PST by null and void (Nancy? As a Catholic, why do you vote pro-abortion? Do you hate babies more than you love God?)
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To: blam

The climate was warmer then today. The late Miocene underwent a gradual cooling trend.

Last common of the modern great apes and humans was capable of both living high in the trees and walking upright on the ground.

Both traits were present in early primates before hominids emerged.


13 posted on 12/09/2019 10:32:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever p)
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The climate was warmer then today. The late Miocene underwent a gradual cooling trend.

Last common ancestor of the modern great apes and humans was capable of both living high in the trees and walking upright on the ground.

Both traits were present in early primates before hominids emerged.


14 posted on 12/09/2019 10:33:23 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever p)
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"And the Mid-East was a lush tropical forest, at one time, too. Heh."

Yup, and then that EVIL contintental drift slammed two subcontintents together, causing the rise of the Himlalayas, blocking the moist air that once blew over the land, causing desertification.

15 posted on 12/09/2019 11:03:38 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: BenLurkin

Actually we were the aliens’ pet monkeys. We were too much trouble for them so they stranded us on Earth. :)


16 posted on 12/09/2019 11:06:50 AM PST by Crucial
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To: blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Thanks blam.

17 posted on 12/09/2019 11:10:49 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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If they lived in trees, why did they need to walk upright?....................


18 posted on 12/09/2019 11:11:41 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain............)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/anthropology/index


19 posted on 12/09/2019 11:20:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

What else could have Sir Edmund Hillary climbed, and Hilary Rotten Klintoon not been named after?


20 posted on 12/09/2019 11:33:58 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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