I will not surrender my powers of discernment to the extent that I am going to believe that this is fourth dimensional chess.
Posted on 10/10/2019 2:04:53 AM PDT by robowombat
President Trump is barreling toward a showdown with Congress over his decision to pull back U.S. troops in northern Syria despite widespread opposition.
The announcement, which caught leadership and traditional GOP allies flatfooted, sparked a wave of condemnation, with Republicans calling it a “disaster in the making,” a “catastrophic mistake” and a “terrible decision.”
Lawmakers are already weighing how to respond to Trump’s decision, setting the stage for a high-profile clash with Trump as soon as Congress returns from a two-week break on Monday.
“Congress must and will act to limit the catastrophic impact of this decision,” said Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), a member of House GOP leadership, adding that Trump’s decision was having “sickening and predictable consequences.”
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) warned that unless Turkey changes its behavior “everything is on the table,” including “suspending arms sales, to suspending economic aid to even considering their status in NATO.”
Lawmakers, scattered across the country for a two-week break, are having behind-the-scenes talks about potential legislative action and publicly throwing out a myriad of ideas ranging from a resolution opposing Trump’s actions to sanctions against Turkey to inserting language into a mammoth defense policy bill.
“Multiple committees are looking at possible legislative efforts to put the House on record against the President’s outrageous decision,” a House Democratic leadership aide told The Hill.
Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y) separately predicted that “Congress will take some form of action” given the “broad condemnation” sparked by Trump’s decision.
Lawmakers are under growing pressure to mount a formal response after Turkey began airstrikes and shelling against Kurdish forces in northern Syria and, hours later, moved ground troops into the country after Trump pulled back U.S. troops. Lawmakers have warned for days that Trump’s decision could endanger the Kurds, who were integral to the U.S.-led fight against ISIS.
Trump on Wednesday tried to distance himself from Turkey’s actions, saying the United States “does not endorse this attack and has made it clear to Turkey that this operation is a bad idea.” But he also said the United States should not be part of “endless, senseless wars.”
Trump reiterated that the U.S. stance is that it is now Turkey’s responsibility to ensure ISIS prisoners being held by the Syrian Democratic Forces do not escape and further claimed Ankara has committed to “protecting civilians” and “ ensuring no humanitarian crisis takes place.”
That’s done little to stem the flow of criticism from Capitol Hill.
“I said that President Trump's decision to abandon the Kurds ... was terribly unwise. Today, we are seeing the consequences of that terrible decision. If the reports of Turkish strikes in Syria are accurate, I fear our allies the Kurds could be slaughtered,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine).
Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) lamented the “tragic loss of life among friends shamefully betrayed.”
One option under discussion would be to slap new sanctions on Turkey for invading Syria.
Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said after Turkey’s actions that they have reached an agreement on sanctions legislation. The bill would target Turkey’s energy sector and military. It also includes visa restrictions for Turkish leadership, including President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, and would sanction any assets they have within U.S. jurisdiction.
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BY ABBVIE “I am pleased to have reached a bipartisan agreement with Senator Van Hollen on severe sanctions against Turkey for their invasion of Syria. While the Administration refuses to act against Turkey, I expect strong bipartisan support,” Graham said.
“Most Members of Congress believe it would be wrong to abandon the Kurds who have been strong allies against ISIS,” he added.
Van Hollen said the sanctions bill will be introduced next week and that they want a quick vote.
“Will ask for an immediate vote to send a clear message to Turkey that it must cease and desist its military action, withdraw its fighters from the areas under attack, and stop the tragic loss of life,” he said.
Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), who has aligned herself closely with Trump, said on Wednesday that she will support new financial penalties.
“I condemn in the strongest possible terms any U.S. policy that will result in endangerment of the Kurds who have sacrificed so much blood and treasure alongside American forces. ... Turkey must pay the price for its aggression toward our Kurdish partners,” Blackburn said.
Trump downplayed the potential pushback, saying he thinks “it’s OK” if Congress imposes sanctions on Turkey even as he disagreed with Graham’s desire to stay in Syria and dismissed the Kurds because they “didn't help us in the Second World War.”
“I think Lindsey would like to stay there for the next 200 years and maybe add a couple a hundred of thousand people every place, but I disagree with Lindsey on that,” Trump told reporters at the White House. “But I will tell you that I do agree on sanctions, but I actually think much tougher than sanctions if [Erdogan] doesn’t do it in as humane a way as possible.”
Graham is also crafting a resolution formally opposing Trump’s decision, adding that he expects “it will receive strong bipartisan support.” A spokesman for Graham told The Hill this week that they were in the process of drafting the resolution.
It would mark the second time the Senate has rebuked Trump on Syria after providing veto-proof support for an amendment from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warning the president against withdrawing troops from Syria or Afghanistan earlier this year.
McConnell sent a warning shot on Monday saying that “the conditions that produced that bipartisan vote still exist today.”
Lawmakers could also slip language into a mammoth defense bill, known as the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). House and Senate lawmakers are negotiating on a final version of the legislation.
Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) called Turkey’s actions “unacceptable” and warned that Ankara will face “serious economic, diplomatic and security consequences.”
“Erdoğan’s actions risk undermining our bilateral relationship, destabilizing northeastern Syria, squandering hard-won progress against ISIS, creating a new humanitarian crisis and harming our Kurdish partners,” Inhofe said.
A spokeswoman for Inhofe said because “the NDAA is currently in the conference process” she “couldn’t speculate” on whether it will include a response to the Syria situation.
A House Armed Services Committee spokeswoman told The Hill that lawmakers, led by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), are working on legislation related to the issue separately from the NDAA, but could not immediately provide more detail. A House Foreign Affairs spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.
More than 50 House Democrats, led by Rep. Jason Crow (D-Colo.), sent a letter to Trump on Wednesday afternoon demanding he answer 10 questions about his Syria policy, including how the United States will ensure the Kurds’ protection and what Trump considers to be “off limits” for Turkey to do.
“This decision jeopardizes decades of trust in American solidarity and will only serve to undermine current and future alliances,” they wrote.
In the meantime, calls are mounting for the Trump administration to testify about the decision, providing a high-stakes setting where they would likely face a bipartisan grilling.
Romney and Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) are urging Senate Foreign Relations Committee leadership to have administration officials testify before the panel and “explain to the American people how betraying an ally and ceding influence to terrorists and adversaries is not disastrous for our national security interests.”
Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.), the top Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, also called for Defense Secretary Mark Esper to testify before Congress “as soon as possible.”
“I would hope Secretary of State [Mike] Pompeo and Acting Director of National Intelligence [Joseph] Maguire will be called before the respective oversight committees as well,” Reed said.
“We need a full accounting and there is no time to waste. Congress must send a clear, bipartisan signal to this president that we do not condone his decision,” he added. “And it has to go beyond tweets and statements. We need action.”
Who you gonna “support”? Bernie? Kamala? Buttplug? Buzz off, Cuck.
Christians are not the issue here. What is important is how many Turkish citizens were killed by Turkish Kurds?
Kurds have been at civil war with Turkey, in Turkey, for decades.
Not all Kurds are good guys
Can you please provide the quote of President Trump saying that it’s ok for the Turks to bomb the Kurds?
Go ahead. Waiting.
I will not surrender my powers of discernment to the extent that I am going to believe that this is fourth dimensional chess.
NB, refusing to go off half-cocked ain’t 4D chess. It’s just good business sense being put to even better use in service of America, Inc.
Q: The EU could take care of this without firing a shot. Why hasn’t it?
No, they are not. There is a small group that is peaceful but a large group that are not. The Kurds are made up of different factions. The only place the Kurds have helped the US is in their nation. It’s a civil war and a nasty one.
The US does not need more Muslim refugees.
I was going to post exactly those words.
ML/NJ
Stuff like this gets the #nevertrumpers to come crawling out of their hidey holes to denounce the President.
They care not for the fact that US blood will do the shedding in a #neverending middle east muslim tribal fight.
> he, by all accounts so far, has acted precipitously and without a safety net on the very eve of his impeachment <
Trump has acted precipitously and without a safety net pretty much from day one. In one way, that’s good. Because you can’t drain the swamp by acting like just another good old boy.
But in a very significant way it’s also bad. Trump has made enemies where he need not have made enemies. In that respect, I wish he would have channeled Ronald Reagan more, and Andy Jackson less.
I have mentioned this to friends of mine, and the usual response is “Trump gotta be Trump”. Some truth there, I suppose.
This is the next We Have To Do Something disaster. The president stated his plan. If Congress has a better idea, let’s hear it.
Without a safety net, I’ll grant you.
When it comes to the lives, fortunes, and sacred honor thing, Trump walks the walk.
But precipitously?
ROTF!!!
I think Trump has Russian ties, all right, in that I doubt the man takes a dump without a plan.
Note to POTUS: Pardon the unladylike scatalogical humor, sir!
Erdogan - Turkey created ISIS, Turkey is ISIS, created to get rid of Kurds, This is the forth betrayal of the Kurds since Gulf war I. Erdogan is a radical islamist thug no different than the Ayatollah or Saddam, just happens to be stuck in a westernized NATO country. Blindly following any man, including Trump, is wrong. Only two sides to pick from, you are either for ISIS or the Kurds, pick your poison. There is no good answer this time. Supporting Trump is not an option. Life is seldom fair.
Yep. Neo-Cons and Jurassic “Conservatives” all-in for the Military-Industrial Complex that grows ever more powerful, rich, and thoroughly corrupt while sending “Flyover” kids, whom the Ruling Class despise, to death and dismemberment.
All the while our cities and towns continue to crumble, our culture degenerates, and our debt hits the stratosphere.
Someday soon this house of cards is going to collapse. It’s inevitable.
I say again:
The Kurds are against this, the Israelis are against this, our European NATO allies are against this, congressional Democrats are against this, most congressional Republicans are against this, but nevermind, the Turks are all for it.
If this is not a trap what is it, Fourth dimensional chess?"
Quote:
“.... you are either for ISIS or the Kurds...”
Sounds familiar. Is that you, Dubya?
Correct. What President Trump has done is to slice through the deep state’s carefully constructed Gordion knot, which was designed to tether the U.S. to endless war and expenditures in blood and treasure.
Blindly following any man, including Trump, is wrong. Only two sides to pick from, you are either for ISIS or the Kurds, pick your poison.
Actually, it’s the opposite. I don’t support those that don’t support me. So when the open borders GOP and Dems fight Trump on this I think he must be making the correct decision.
I was all in with W. and Iraq and mid east intervention in general. Now I see the GOPe openly prefering progressive Democrats to POTUS and the GOP base. Lesson learned. Loyalty is a two way street and those fighting so hard for Kurdistan’s borders certain have no interest in Kate Steinle’s family or my family. So I no longer support their mid east adventure.
The uniparty/Deep State/Axis of weasels is against it.
So?
Israel gets a pass. But they’re screwed if Trump’s removed, so Israel would be better off belting up and letting Trump handle this his way.
The EU could stop Erdie. Why hasn’t it?
If Congress wants to really help the Kurds, wouldn't they need to declare war against both Turkey and Syria?
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