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The wine industry has a fundamental problem. For no matter how hard we all collectively talk about, and make and share stories about wine and its genius winemakers and idyllic wine regions all over the world, it all boils down to one thing. Most consumers don’t care about wine.

At least they “don’t care as much as we want them to,” is how Paul Mabray started his whistle-stop, rollercoaster talk at the MUST Fermenting Ideas conference earlier in the summer.

Remember the maxim: How to become a millionaire in the wine business....Start with two.

1 posted on 08/21/2019 10:01:49 AM PDT by ptsal
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Cocktails have become somewhat trendy. I suspect that the spirits industry is doing reasonably well. Cocktails are a fun DIY project which doesn’t have to be expensive and can be something that’s “cool” and “fun” without being “snooty”.

I’ve never felt that wine was all that exciting.


2 posted on 08/21/2019 10:06:32 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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Herb Caen, a columnist for the S.F. Chronicle way back in the Olden Days, once attended a wine/cheese party when the whole wine “lifestyle” era was taking off. He observed correctly that there are four kinds of wine: Red Wine, White Wine, Good Wine, and Bad Wine. Words to live by, and protect one’s wallet!


3 posted on 08/21/2019 10:08:10 AM PDT by drwoof
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I can’t stand wine. I’ve had the rot gut, the in between, and the very expensive(Thanksgiving, Christmas gatherings) and it all tastes terrible.

Sangria I can tolerate... and that’s only because it’s wine diluted with fruit juice.

I’ll take a mixed drink or a beer, please.


4 posted on 08/21/2019 10:08:44 AM PDT by Conserv
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“Good data collection and analysis can tell you everything a customer wants from you, given their journey with your brand. A single customer record can tell you where they live, how much they purchase, what they purchase, where they purchase, and how they found you. How you communicate to these customers should be just as detailed,” he explains.


Just another version of the mass marketing campaign. Remember, the old snail mail campaigns. We have this mailing list that will target your customer, just pay us so much to do it. They collect their money, doesn’t work and they walk away..............................


5 posted on 08/21/2019 10:09:46 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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The Romans divided the world into the civilized and the barbarians. The civilized were wine and olive oil cultures and the barbarians were beer and butter cultures. As much as I love wine we are still barbarians...


6 posted on 08/21/2019 10:13:37 AM PDT by Freeborn
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Wine is fine.
Beer is near.
But liquor is quicker................


7 posted on 08/21/2019 10:15:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain......................)
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I ruined my palate when young. to me all wine now tastes like this:


8 posted on 08/21/2019 10:18:37 AM PDT by fredhead (Duty, Honor, Country.....Honor, Courage, Commitment)
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The wine industry is harming itself. Promoting its product as a prestige item for delectation of the affluent and status-conscious in pursuit of sensory perfection, it misses the chance to position it as an affordable and enjoyable component of everyday life, a natural element of everyday meals at home, with just the family or even alone. The wine world needs its Henry Ford: producer of a good-enough product for the mass market, with acceptable quality and uniformity, at a price point that greatly expands the market — so that wine is no longer a luxury plaything but a dietary option accessible to the masses. The market for chateau-bottled vintages is only so large.


9 posted on 08/21/2019 10:19:22 AM PDT by Romulus
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Well, Walmart devoted an entire aisle to wine and have wine specials in the main aisle. A Tennessee state law was passed to permit grocery stores to sell wine. This was a major victory of the people over the liquor store lobby.

So, people, ordinary run of the mill people do like and buy well priced wine.


18 posted on 08/21/2019 10:28:13 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.btyC. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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Some do.


21 posted on 08/21/2019 10:29:39 AM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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Red Foxx always liked Champipple.

But I suspect the potential new wine customers might just be going straight to marijuana. Easier to hide (for kids), harder to detect. And it's a perfect gateway to crack and heroin.

Better all around! Plus, they don't even have to work anymore. Just buy a used Eddie Bauer tent off craigslist and move to downtown San Fransicko!

What a life!

22 posted on 08/21/2019 10:31:16 AM PDT by LouAvul
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Generally, only Wine Snobs “care” about wine.

I drink wine occasionally, but it is not my favorite beverage. By far.

I’m pretty sure I’m in a 90% majority.


24 posted on 08/21/2019 10:39:47 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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My girlfriend makes sure I stay on the lookout for Vin Vault Chardonnay. It comes in a 3 liter box ($17.99). The stores around here keep running out of it. It seems to be a local favorite.

I drink light beer. Mixed drinks when I don’t have to drive.


29 posted on 08/21/2019 11:03:55 AM PDT by toast
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Real men drink whiskey. Those who don’t should wear dresses.


32 posted on 08/21/2019 11:17:49 AM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, rescue a pit bull.)
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I sell wine for a large grocery chain. Consumers are very interested in wine, but it needs to be “ hand sold”. Most consumers are very intimidated by wines especially when they lack any knowledge of wines. They will often buy the same wine over and over because it’s a safe choice. Some will even buy based on the fanciest label or bottle. Customers appreciate a knowledgeable sales staff who will help them to find a great wine at a price with which they are comfortable. I have many customers who are developing a quite sophisticated taste in wines simply by being helped in their wine choice. Sadly many wine shops do not have a knowledgeable staff or who just push products made by large conglomerate wine makers and not wines from smaller wine makers or less common regional wines from Europe.


34 posted on 08/21/2019 11:35:24 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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Consumers don’t care about wine because the United States of America is a beer-drinking country. This goes back to the early settlers who came to this country. Most of the early settlers came from northern Europe where hops was grown and a climate not conducive to wineries. When these settlers immigrated to the US they brought their habits with them and their tastes as well. The only way that people will turn to wine nowadays will be to label beer drinkers as white supremacists.

I think I see a forty in my fridge... I am thirsty.


35 posted on 08/21/2019 11:38:28 AM PDT by zaxtres
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Too many of our trading partners have huge import taxes on our wines, like 200%, making an average wine bottle cost $40. That has to stop. Hopefully once the China dam breaks many other countries will fall in line with fair trading practices and our wine makers will prosper.


38 posted on 08/21/2019 12:48:49 PM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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The wine industry has a fundamental problem. For no matter how hard we all collectively talk about, and make and share stories about wine and its genius winemakers and idyllic wine regions all over the world, it all boils down to one thing. Most consumers don’t care about wine.

I used to work at at a beverage distributing company, sold a lot of wine. The high-falutin' way they tried to market the wine, 'a heady nose, with hints of cinnamon and coriander', and all that bs...I find that kind of snobbery disgusting, and it plays into the commercialization of everything that our consumer culture tries to sell...it is my least favorite aspect of free enterprise. I don't want to make it illegal, mind you, I just wish people weren't so taken in by appeals to snobbery.
41 posted on 08/21/2019 2:41:13 PM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington D.C. has become the enemy of free people everywhere!)
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When I was growing up Dad grew grapes,and we picked blackberries in the nearby woods. Mother made jams and jellies from both. Dad made wine from both. There was always a barrel of wine in the basement. I really don't know if it was all that good a vintage, but he and his friends liked it.
45 posted on 08/21/2019 3:19:48 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF.)
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I’ve enjoyed $3 dollar bottles more than $15 dollar bottles.


47 posted on 08/21/2019 3:32:40 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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