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HOLD YOUR FIRE-WITH TRUMP WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET
VANITY-SELF | 8/10/2019 | WINDHOVER

Posted on 08/10/2019 3:53:30 PM PDT by windhover

Hold your fire on Trump and don't burn your bridges yet. What we see is what we get and we haven't seen it one way or the other on specific gun measures. So far he has kept every promise he could and those he couldn't were not for lack of trying. He did promise to protect our second amendment rights and has done so up to now. He is a master at leaving our soc./commie enemies holding the bag and I believe he is setting them up for a fall as I write this.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: belongsinchat; chat; legislation; redflags; vanity
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To: Steely Tom

I believe that your assessment is correct. I would sdd the Department of State also.


21 posted on 08/10/2019 4:32:24 PM PDT by sport
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To: Bommer

I can’t argue with you on that.The mention of Red Flag Laws were made over and over a number of times


22 posted on 08/10/2019 4:38:27 PM PDT by sport
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To: windhover

If Trump were a professional politician, I would hold it against him that he even brings up the idea. Coming from a pro, a kneejerk is a reveal of what they really intend and have probably been lying about. Going back from that stance from a pro is a flip flopper.

But Trump has been building his empire his whole life, not pondering constitutional issues. I knew that going in with him and expected frequent ignorance of these things.

I know he has time to be informed. Any statements in this area, as far as my future vote is concerned, is absolutely forgiven if nothing comes out of this. Otherwise, like Romneycare, it’s an unforgivable in my book. If you think different that’s your business.

Nevertheless I make my opinions known because that’s what we do here.

Elsewhere I’ve done the ole whitehouse.gov message with my opinion and when the recess is over I’ll be writing my reps, even the state ones, because my aim is constitutional carry.

In the meantime I’ll just have to squabble here.


23 posted on 08/10/2019 4:38:28 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: windhover
I must admit that my confidence in Donald Trump has wavered a few times in the three years since he was nominated by the Republican Party in 2016, but after what I have seen from him in that time he has earned such confidence and respect from me that I will not waver now.


24 posted on 08/10/2019 4:38:38 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: cradle of freedom

Agree. Many are on psychotic drugs and have “therapists.” Given that MKUltra is a thing, I have no problem believing they are being controlled by the #DeepState.

Shooters have said that bump stocks are a joke. One can shoot faster without the stocks, that they can actually inhibit shooting. I have no experience with them, so only know what I’ve read.


25 posted on 08/10/2019 4:42:17 PM PDT by WWG1WWA (Brothers, what we do in life echoes in eternity." -MarcusAurelius)
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To: MayflowerMadam

“I have to calm down and remember that God is in control.”
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Exactly. And our way is simplistic. GOD’S Way is His Plan, Alone. Faith in GOD leads us to believe we should have faith in PDJT.


26 posted on 08/10/2019 4:43:41 PM PDT by V K Lee ("VICTORY FOR THE RIGHTEOUS IS JUDGMENT FOR THE WICKED")
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To: Yogafist

Correct. Constitutional carry should be the story of the day, not red flags and false promises of freeing the world from evil. He’s surrounded by RINOs who will be as happy to hurt the country as much as the commie dems. I hope he wises up.


27 posted on 08/10/2019 4:46:55 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: grobdriver
Bump stocks are a joke. You can do the same with a rubber band without practice and you don't even need the rubber band if you practice. Bump stocks are a

JOKE

We lost nothing.

28 posted on 08/10/2019 4:50:37 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

You are wrong.

We established a precedent that things can be declared machine guns, which CLEARLY do not fit the federal definition of a machine gun, if they can help someone shoot semi auto at a faster rate.

Lightweight competition triggers, binary triggers and 30, 60, or 100 round magazines all do that too, and declaring them to be machine guns would be just as legally sound as declaring bumpstocks to be machine guns.

Trump opened Pandora’s box for the next dem president. We lost a very great deal on that ban, but most of the world still has its head rammed up its a** about the whole thing.


29 posted on 08/10/2019 5:08:04 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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To: windhover

I agree, keep your powder dry.

CC


30 posted on 08/10/2019 5:11:29 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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To: Bommer

Trump needs the criticism. Time for action not words.
Deep state is in war mode. Timing of everything is too convenient, and now that Epstein is gone get ready for the non-stop hype about Trump taking him out to hide something. It is already starting.
He needs to hear from the base. He needs to know his shock value is fading. His inner circle is compromised and the alphabet agencies are still run by his enemies. Tweets and threats will not win a war. Trump’s base has been lied to for decades by the GOPe. Trump caves it is over. Country is finished might as well let him lose and let it collapse faster so maybe at some point the real revolution can begin.


31 posted on 08/10/2019 5:35:57 PM PDT by lurker1776
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To: cradle of freedom

“I think some of these mass shootings are being done by the deep state themselves.”

Remember a guy called William Cooper? He wrote a conspiracy book called ‘Behold a Pale Horse’. He said that the government would start using mass shootings to create chaos and seize more control. This was in the 90s.


32 posted on 08/10/2019 5:50:30 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

“Bump stocks are a
JOKE
We lost nothing.”
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Respectfully disagree.

I believe you (and many others) are missing an important point here.

I didn’t own a bumpstock and had no desire to own one; however, the BATFE gymnastics used to outlaw bumpstocks created a new standard which now effectively equates how fast a weapon can be fired (thru any means) with w/it being categorized as a MACHINEGUN. (Prior to this the BATFE standard required a specific type of mechanical configuration within a firearms trigger mechanism for it to be categorized as a machinegun.)

Think about that! As you pointed out, ANY semi-auto can be easily “jury-rigged” to fire as fast as a bumpstock and w/a little practice and the proper trigger technique this can be accomplished w/o any “jury-rigging.” What do you think this new BATFE precedent will lead to in the hands of an anti-gun president?

The fault here is not all President Trump’s alone, who is a good man IMHO, it is his policy advisors along w/his lack of a thorough understanding of the U.S. Constitution and the past history of our battle to save/reclaim our 2nd amendment.

Seemingly insignificant semantical changes in the law can lead to disastrous consequences when clever, unscrupulous, Leftist lawyers and judges become involved ...and they will.


33 posted on 08/10/2019 6:00:02 PM PDT by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: windhover

Until I see otherwise, I trust Donald Trump. I’m not going to have a knee jerk reaction to things he says. His actions speak louder than words and I have not been disappointed to this point.


34 posted on 08/10/2019 6:07:39 PM PDT by LibertyWoman
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To: windhover

I learned during the primaries never to second-guess Donald Trump.


35 posted on 08/10/2019 6:17:09 PM PDT by arthurus (.';"{]0l-+=l*,)
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To: windhover

I hope my gut feeling is right, in that Trump is going to let the commies air every anti-American idea that they can throw at the wall, and wrap it all into one fecal-laced bill that nobody could seriously consider. Once their true intentions are exposed, they can’t take it back. Sort of like raising your hand to give illegal aliens free health care.


36 posted on 08/10/2019 6:56:44 PM PDT by Cololeo
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To: dljordan

I have heard his talks, very much ahead of his time.

Look at my tagline.


37 posted on 08/10/2019 6:57:12 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Why are they called globalists? Because they want the whole world!)
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To: WWG1WWA

It’s an open secret now, just a week ago there was a program on NatGeo about the crimes of the CIA. The CIA is not an American institution, it was formed during World War II by a foreign power.


38 posted on 08/10/2019 7:00:14 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Why are they called globalists? Because they want the whole world!)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Trump should have said all those things - as he vetoed the bill.
39 posted on 08/10/2019 7:14:03 PM PDT by grobdriver (BUILD KATE'S WALL!)
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To: WWG1WWA

Do you know if any of the last 3 killers used bump stocks?


40 posted on 08/10/2019 7:52:50 PM PDT by funfan
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