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He's Creating a New Fuel Out of Thin Air — for 85 Cents per Gallon
www.ozy.com ^ | 2/27/2019 | Jared Lindzon

Posted on 03/02/2019 5:46:08 PM PST by rktman

Roger Gordon’s plans for ammonia could be a central component of a carbon-free future.

Advocates of America’s Green New Deal or other radical efforts to decarbonize the world economy in the face of a looming climate crisis may well have one of their greatest champions in a rumpled 65-year-old who lives in the Toronto suburbs.

Roger Gordon wears a navy wool coat that extends well past the bottom of his green knit sweater on a chilly day in February. He talks with a quintessentially Canadian politeness as he rails against what he sees as a massive conspiracy to suppress his life’s work — which could amount to a fuel revolution.

Ammonia has been used as both an alternative fuel source and a surplus energy storage mechanism since the 1800s, and while its production is far less damaging to the environment than traditional oil and gas, it’s not without its pollutants. In order to create NH3, the ammonia-based fuel, one would have to build a massive production facility that still burns large quantities of fossil fuels and releases significant amounts of carbon in the production process.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ammonia; carbonfreedesert; chat; climatechangehoax; fakescience; globalclimate; globalwarminghoax; warmingchange
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So....85 cents/gallon. Is that the cost for producing it? Probably not the cost to consumers. As far as a carbon free future............ Kinda means no one will be around doesn't it?
1 posted on 03/02/2019 5:46:08 PM PST by rktman
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Wouldn’t want to be around when there is a leak. Like refueling.


2 posted on 03/02/2019 5:50:49 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: rktman

They will probably decide to put the production plant in a small town to minimize the collateral damage when the plant blows up.


3 posted on 03/02/2019 5:51:00 PM PST by centurion316
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To: rktman

Just off the top of my head...

1) It’s an energy storage media, not an energy source. It’s like a battery.

2) I’m pretty sure ammonia has a lower energy density than gasoline, so you’ll need more gallons to drive the same distance.

3) Toxic and nasty.


4 posted on 03/02/2019 5:52:06 PM PST by MikeJ
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To: rktman

Yellow New Deal?


5 posted on 03/02/2019 5:53:07 PM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: rktman

“face of a looming climate crisis”

For the first time in recorded history it never got above 70 in LA last February. This looming crises?


6 posted on 03/02/2019 5:53:32 PM PST by gibsonguy
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But, but, but, isn’t ammonia all safe and stuff like hydrogen? /s


7 posted on 03/02/2019 5:53:50 PM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Mighty short on details on how to convert a combustion engine from diesel to NH3. And what about harmful NOx gases?


8 posted on 03/02/2019 5:55:18 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Being woke means you can be nasty, hateful and use racist slurs yet feel morally superior.)
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NOx compounds are some of the worst actual pollutants out there. Burning ammonia (NH3) as fuel produces . . . guess what, since it is reacting with atmospheric oxygen.
9 posted on 03/02/2019 5:55:56 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: bigbob

First they force us to have ethanol in our gas and now urine. I don’t know how much more I can take.


10 posted on 03/02/2019 5:56:02 PM PST by BipolarBob (Dad, Send lawyers, guns and money.)
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To: MikeJ

I worked in a shipyard years ago and we were repairing a barge that had ruptured one of the wing tanks and had been transporting ammonia. I stepped over an open access hatch and almost went down the leaked ammonia in the wing tank was so strong. Nas T stuff.


11 posted on 03/02/2019 5:56:33 PM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: MikeJ

Farmers inject it directly into the soil as fertilizer.


12 posted on 03/02/2019 5:56:58 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Being woke means you can be nasty, hateful and use racist slurs yet feel morally superior.)
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To: BipolarBob

Nobody forces me to have ethanol in my urine. That’s completely voluntary on my part.


13 posted on 03/02/2019 5:57:52 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

Well . . . since you put it that way.


14 posted on 03/02/2019 5:58:58 PM PST by BipolarBob (Dad, Send lawyers, guns and money.)
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Nitrous oxide is a major component of smog. This is a real problem waiting to replace a fictional one
15 posted on 03/02/2019 5:59:33 PM PST by Nateman (If the left is not screaming, you are doing it wrong.)
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Ammonia is a very toxic poison.

And it promotes pyrotechnics.


16 posted on 03/02/2019 6:01:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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Takes energy to produce energy and you lose energy each time you convert.


17 posted on 03/02/2019 6:03:13 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: BipolarBob

Who’s buying?

CC


18 posted on 03/02/2019 6:04:23 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Celtic Conservative; Olog-hai

Olog has more money than me. I’m on the lam.


19 posted on 03/02/2019 6:08:04 PM PST by BipolarBob (Dad, Send lawyers, guns and money.)
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To: rktman
The article says he burning ammonia in an internal combustion engine. You never get 100% combustion, so you'll have ammonia smelling exhaust fumes. Won't that be nice in a traffic jam?

The combustion of ammonia in air is very difficult in the absence of a catalyst (such as platinum gauze or warm chromium(III) oxide), because the temperature of the flame is usually lower than the ignition temperature of the ammonia–air mixture. That is funny -- the flame temperature is lower than the ignition temperature!

Although common in nature and in wide use, ammonia is both caustic and hazardous in its concentrated form. It is classified as an extremely hazardous substance in the United States, and is subject to strict reporting requirements by facilities which produce, store, or use it in significant quantities. Have you ever smelled a strong molar solution of ammonia? It is awful. It's also

NH3 boils at −28 °F / 1 atm pressure, so the liquid must be stored under pressure or at low temperature. It is lighter than air. It is easily liquefied due to the strong hydrogen bonding between molecule.

Smelling salts, also known as ammonia inhalants, spirit of hartshorn or sal volatile, are chemical compounds often used to arouse consciousness. Maybe he could design a system to send a whiff to the driver if he gets drowsy.

VERDICT -- DOA

20 posted on 03/02/2019 6:08:24 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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