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Is America Becoming a Four-Party State? (Thomas Friedman)
New York Slimes ^ | February 19, 2019 | Thomas Friedman

Posted on 03/01/2019 8:16:34 AM PST by gattaca

In case you haven’t noticed, long-established political parties across the democratic world are blowing up, with Britain’s Labour Party just the latest to fracture. Could America’s parties be next?

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1 posted on 03/01/2019 8:16:34 AM PST by gattaca
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To: gattaca

The Two Parties are not sustainable.


2 posted on 03/01/2019 8:17:06 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: gattaca

DJT is in the process of blowing up the political order and for that I’m eternally grateful.


3 posted on 03/01/2019 8:19:42 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: gattaca

Hmmmm, last *I* checked, my ballot had MORE than 2 and, sometimes, more than 4, party choices.

Maybe what we need is to support the/a party that uphold, defends and enforces the Constitution (which precludes the typical 2-party base).


4 posted on 03/01/2019 8:20:48 AM PST by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: gattaca

The GOP has long been dominated by Bush League Republicans, voting for the continuation of the illegal alien inundation in the faces of the majority of their voters.


5 posted on 03/01/2019 8:22:14 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: dfwgator
Certainly not as they're currently constituted.

The most astute observation I've heard in recent years about this subject came from a human resources expert at an industry conference I attended. He said the problem with today's political process in the U.S. is that the two major parties are aligned in a way that made sense 40+ years ago when we were an industrial economy, but don't make sense anymore. Now, you have an upside-down scenario where the Democrats are the war-mongering corporate globalists and the Republicans -- only by default, not by principle -- have become more of a nationalist/populist party.

6 posted on 03/01/2019 8:22:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: gattaca

1. Democrap Party
2. Social Democrap Party
3. Old Dying GOP Party
4. New Republican Party, Donald J. Trump, President


7 posted on 03/01/2019 8:25:03 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: i_robot73

Having lived for some time under a parliamentary system of government with 4-5 major political parties, I can tell you that it promotes highly dysfunctional and ineffective governance and is likely to be disastrous here in the U.S.


8 posted on 03/01/2019 8:26:20 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: bigbob
It's not four parties. It's three:

1. Globalists
2. Marxists
3. Nationalists

9 posted on 03/01/2019 8:27:01 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: gattaca

Democratic Socialists, Totalitarian Socialists, Bush League Republicans, Make America Great Again Republicans.


10 posted on 03/01/2019 8:27:20 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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Yes. We have the Trumplicans
Democrats (formerly known as repubs)
Communists
Super Communists


11 posted on 03/01/2019 8:28:43 AM PST by dsrtsage (For Leftists, World History starts every day at breakfast)
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To: dfwgator

You’re right in their present form they are not.
But we will always come down to a two parties. They may have different names but in the end there will be two, Our system was purposely designed by the Founding Fathers to minimize “factions (Their term for parties!)”. The minimum is 2 unless you want a one party state. The only way we will have a sustained multi-party system where there are multiple (more then 2!) competing political parties is if we have constitutional changes that move us to a parliamentary system. This would be something I would strongly oppose.


12 posted on 03/01/2019 8:30:19 AM PST by Reily
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To: bigbob

What happens if 2 and 3 hook up? Very little difference between them.


13 posted on 03/01/2019 8:32:22 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: Alberta's Child
I'd generally agree with your colleague's observation. You only need to go back to 2015 to see how the war mongering corporate globalist faction unleashed financial war on the State of Indiana for being the first to pass a religious freedom exception bill to allow Christian businesses to opt out of demands by the sexual deviant crowd's demands to join them in the celebration of perversity.

Indiana and every other state contemplating such legislation ended up watering it down to the point that it became nearly meaningless. The Country Club/Corporate war-monger class is drifting over to the Democrat party if they can't staunch the Populist/Trumpian rise.

14 posted on 03/01/2019 8:38:15 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys all aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: gattaca

Well, since I registered as a Whig 4 years ago, I’ve yet to see a single Whig candidate on the ballot.


15 posted on 03/01/2019 8:41:12 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code and only practiced by warriors.)
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To: gattaca

The Democrats actually are suffering from a split in their party, with the media hyped upstarts dragging the spotlight from the geriatric old guard. It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of lying old fools. Democrats are a coalition of divided interests, but the far leftists appear to be taking over.

The Republicans had a bit of a split when the rank and file supported President Trump over the leadership’s favorites. But the split in the Republican party is between the leadership and the base. The base supports President Trump at around 90% which is actually remarkable unity. Many of the 10% who do not support President Trump call themselves “conservatives” but actually would have preferred a Clinton presidency. They can’t really go to the Democrat side at this point because the old guard Democrats are losing control of their party. So the split on the Republican side is a complete myth from the media.


16 posted on 03/01/2019 8:42:04 AM PST by fireman15
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There's nothing new in that. The idea goes back to the Eisenhower era.

The "Presidential" Republican and Democrat parties were more liberal than the "Congressional" Republican and Democrat parties. So you had Presidential Democrats on the left and Congressional Republicans on the right with the Congressional Democrats and Presidential Republicans contending for the center.

Both kinds of Republicans were more conservative than their Democratic counterparts, but the Congressional Democrats had a large conservative element and the Presidential Republicans were more accepting of liberal ideas than their Congressional counterparts, so the views of Congressional Democrats and Presidential Republicans didn't reflect the more polarized views of others in their parties.

Political scientists wished that all the liberals would be in one party and all the conservatives in the other to break the "Deadlock of Democracy." How did that work out?

17 posted on 03/01/2019 8:42:33 AM PST by x
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To: gattaca
Or click here for the Thomas Friedman op-ed generator:

http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/about.php

18 posted on 03/01/2019 8:44:39 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: gattaca

Nope. The two parties have put too many mechanisms in place. The one thing they both agree on is keeping it a two party system. No other party will ever gain enough of a foothold to matter.


19 posted on 03/01/2019 8:45:23 AM PST by discostu (I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
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To: i_robot73
...what we need is to support the/a party that uphold, defends and enforces the Constitution...

Those words, Sir or Madam, are controlling.

We presently have two parties; socialists/Dems/totalitarian/anti-Constitutionalists all acting as a single party and then every one else; and the latter group appears to be the minority party. In this regard, see Obama's second term and Hillary's popular vote.

It should be obvious to all as to why the Left and its useful idiots yell to discard the Electoral College. Imagine the likes of Pelosi sitting in the Oval Office.

20 posted on 03/01/2019 8:47:05 AM PST by frog in a pot (Result of many state bailouts? Taxpayers elsewhere in America get to finance the Left's growth.)
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