Northam Calls Slaves ‘Indentured Servants from Africa’

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"Just 90 miles from here in 1619, the first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores in Ole Point Comfort," Northam said

Embattled Virginia Governor, Ralph Northam (D-VA), referred to people that came to America as slaves from Africa as “indentured servants from Africa” during an interview with CBS News’ Gayle King on Sunday.

Northam sat down with King for his first interview since the Virginian-Pilot published a photo from Northam’s medical school yearbook showing “two men, one in blackface and one in a Ku Klux Klan robe and hood, on the same page as the governor.”

King asked Northam where he would like to begin, pointing out that it had been a difficult week for the people of Virginia.

“Well, it has been a difficult week, and you know if you look at Virginia’s history, we’re now at the 400-year anniversary. Just 90 miles from here in 1619, the first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores in Ole Point Comfort, what we call now Fort Monroe,” Northam said

“Also known as slavery,” King interjected.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Are you a Jehovah’s Witness? Or Seventh-Day Adventist?

[Mrs. Don-o]

The reason why I asked you about being a Jehovah’s Witness or a SDA is because your ideas are distinctively different from other Christians that got their start in the 16th or 17th centuries. I took a guess that it must be one of those more recent denominations that started in the 19th century or later. They really have no use for the historic church as such. Am I correct?

[Elsie]

Merely a Berean wannabe.

It’s a noble calling.

[Elsie]

Are you a Jehovah’s Witness? Or Seventh-Day Adventist?

 

 

Are the words of JPII important to you? Or is Sedevacantism more your cup of tea?

 

 

 

[Elsie]

The reason why I asked you about being a Jehovah’s Witness or a SDA is because your ideas are distinctively different from other Christians that got their start in the 16th or 17th centuries.

The reason why I asked you about being a JPII type or a Sedevacantist is because what Rome teaches NOW is VASTLY different from Early Church Fathers that got their start WAY before the 16th or 17th centuries.

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As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following Early Church Fathers promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:

 • Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

• Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

• Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

• Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

• Cyril of Alexandria:

When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

• Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

• Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II):

Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

[Elsie]

... your ideas are distinctively different from other Christians....

Isn't it strange how merely reading the Book (that you Catholics gave the world) will affect a persons understanding of what is actually IN the Book.

Sometimes I search the Scriptures daily; to see if what someone is trying to convince me of is true.

[Mrs. Don-o]

In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

I'm a Catholic of the Catholic Catechism variety, don'cha know! (As are all catechists worth their salt) and a great appreciator of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. I think their love of God is in the "great" category, and their devotion to the truths of the Faith very exemplary, and good clear communicators as well.

It's very easy to find what they taught online, as well as the Catechism, which is searchable by keyword. In this way Christ teaches through the Church, drawing from the teachings that come to us through His Apostles.

Visualize it as an unbroken chain going back to Pentecost, regarded as the Birthday of the Church.

And you? Jehovah's Witness?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Amen to the Scriptures. I too, daily.

[Mrs. Don-o]

We've got a rogue Pope. Still trying to figure out how to deal with that. He's the only pope who has actually frontally opposes elements of the Papal Magisterium, which puts us in a kind of Catch-22 position.

It makes some wonder if we re nearing the End. Meaning, of the world. One never knows, do one?

Relevant article:

Should Francis resign, what then?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Does the Berean Church have a website?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Does the Berean Church have a website?

I like how some of the co-believers use "fellowship" as a verb. Who do you fellowship with?

[Mrs. Don-o]

BTW, there’s nothing in those quotes which contradicts what Catholics believe, as far as I can see. I’m not getting your point, even with colored ink.

[Elsie]

Visualize it as an unbroken chain going back to Pentecost, regarded as the Birthday of the Church.

Those seven Catholic churches in Revelation seem to be weak links in that imagery you are trying to create.

[Elsie]

And you? Jehovah's Witness?

Merely a 'witness' to so much that the One True Church has changed over the centuries.

Which century do YOU like the best?

[Elsie]

We've got a rogue Pope. Still trying to figure out how to deal with that.

First: Quit judging the man!!

Romans 14:4

Who are you to judge someone else's servant?
To their own master, servants stand or fall

Second: I know you don't think that you are your own pope (as we PROTs get bombarded with a LOT!) but can't you realize that you ARE determining which pope you will or will not follow?

[dforest]

I am posting this to keep this story alive.

I have noticed this disgusting trifecta of creepy clowns in VA is getting buried in other stuff.

[Elsie]

BTW, there’s nothing in those quotes which contradicts what Catholics believe, as far as I can see.

Then show them to your dog.

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As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18 (And less understood)

 

 

 

• Augustine, sermon:

"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer. — John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

 

Augustine, sermon:

Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

 

• Augustine, sermon:

For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

 

• Augustine, sermon:

And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

 

• Augustine, sermon:

Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

 

• Augustine, sermon:

...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

 

• Augustine, Psalm LXI:

Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

 

• Augustine, in “Retractions,”

In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

 

[Elsie]

I’m not getting your point, even with colored ink.

Here; let me re-state the words of some ECFs:

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[bert]

Hokus pokus...... Dominokus

Hominy, hominy, hominy grits

[Mrs. Don-o]

Hey, hon. I'm sure you realize that for 40 year back in the Great Western Schism there were 2, and sometimes 3 simultaneous claimants for the title of Pope. Some people later recognized as saints (e.g. St. Vincent Ferrar, and he's not the only one) spent their whole adult lives backing the wrong horse.

None of this historic confusion makes it impossible to live a good and holy Catholic life. Harder, I'll grant you, but not impossible.

As the people you yourself cited said: we are talking about the *Faith* if Peter. Not some one-man oracle.

You keep making my point!