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The Cops Were the Aggressors in This Week's Deadly Houston Drug Raid
Reason ^ | 1-29-19 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 01/31/2019 8:38:46 AM PST by slumber1

On Monday evening in Houston, a dozen armed men broke into the home of Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas, a middle-aged couple who had lived in the house at 7815 Harding Street for at least two decades. The first man through the door, who was armed with a shotgun, used it to kill one of the couple's dogs. Tuttle responded to the home invasion by grabbing a revolver and shooting the man with the shotgun, who collapsed on a sofa in the living room. As Nicholas tried to disarm the intruder, his accomplices shot her. Tuttle returned fire, and by the end of the shootout he and his wife were both dead. Four of the assailants were hit by gunfire, while a fifth injured his knee.

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To: slumber1

I am of the opinion that:

1) Only the elected Sheriff should have a SWAT team
2) No warrant should EVER be served by plain clothes officers
3) No knock raids should be limited to situations where there is a KNOW threat to life or limb, not the POSSIBILITY of a threat and require the evidence of the situation be presented to a separate judge for approval.
4) Protocol should require lights and sirens for 10 seconds prior to knock on the door.
5) knock on the door should allow a reasonable time to respond - min 1 min
6) Officers on the breach team should be proceeded with a riot / assault shield, not shotgun or pistol
7) only one officer on the breach team should be giving commands.

Had these rules been followed, most likely would have resulted in a different outcome.


21 posted on 01/31/2019 8:54:50 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: slumber1

Essentially the same story as Cory Maye, who killed a deputy who was the sheriff’s son. It was a no knock raid in the middle of the night at the wrong address. Maye was trying to protect his daughter. He ended up spending years on death row.

He was eventually sentenced to time served and released. I sent some money to his prison account and got back a nice letter from him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye


22 posted on 01/31/2019 8:56:26 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Red Badger

Cops have said they recovered marijuana from the home. They won’t say had much. They have also said the recovered some “white dust.”

Again, they haven’t said how much.

But this was supposedly a big time heroin operations.


23 posted on 01/31/2019 8:56:36 AM PST by GrootheWanderer
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To: catnipman
“reason.com” is a far, far, far, far “progressive” propaganda outfit ... i don’t believe a word they say ...

Well, all I can say is God Bless Everyone with a Badge. Our nation would be a lot safer if we hired more people with badges to help us manage our liberties and be safer. God Bless All People with Badges! They are ALL heroes. Especially the TSA heroes. Maybe it's time for a little less listening to fake stories about "liberty" and "rights" and a little more common-sense patriotism, hmm?
24 posted on 01/31/2019 8:56:40 AM PST by golux
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To: Blue House Sue

If true, should have been enough for an arrest warrant that could have been served away from the home and followed up with a search warrant when there were fewer people in the house.


25 posted on 01/31/2019 8:57:12 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: catnipman

Reason is certainly not a progressive propaganda outlet, and I’ve never heard them characterized so ignorantly.


26 posted on 01/31/2019 8:58:14 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: slumber1

Did they confirm if cops wore body cameras? This story indicates they did not.


27 posted on 01/31/2019 8:58:26 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GrootheWanderer

A bag of flour from the kitchen is ‘white dust’..................


28 posted on 01/31/2019 8:58:55 AM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Blue House Sue

HPD’s story has changed several times since Monday. The whole thing seems weird. And then the outburst from the Union President.

People who knew the deceased are floored. They say it is just not possible.


29 posted on 01/31/2019 9:01:14 AM PST by Jaded (Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam spread... the sword.ag)
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To: slumber1

Break into my house and shoot my beloved dog? God help you.


30 posted on 01/31/2019 9:01:56 AM PST by myerson
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To: slumber1

What’s wrong with this picture?

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Well, the first thing wrong is you posting a libertarian smear tactic by Reason.


31 posted on 01/31/2019 9:02:33 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Red Badger

Or laundry powder, which happened to a guy living in his van down by the river.


32 posted on 01/31/2019 9:02:45 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: taxcontrol

why NOT just pick them up when they go to the grocery?

A three car traffic stop with unmarked vehicles? hold ‘em and then execute the warrant

warning...I am NOT a LEO!!


33 posted on 01/31/2019 9:03:05 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible")
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To: sparklite2

Well you are on Free Republic where few actually read the article


34 posted on 01/31/2019 9:03:29 AM PST by wardaddy (Progressive winter is coming.)
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To: slumber1

The reason article states that a .357 was recovered after the mayhem, but I can’t see, doing a quick search, that a .357 was recovered. Other articles state that the police asked for the no-knock warrant because the informant saw a 9mm semi, but none of the articles I read said that one was recovered. Was it a .357 or 9mm? Was the informant lying?


35 posted on 01/31/2019 9:04:58 AM PST by Purdue77 (Okay, I'm too cheap to afford a tag line.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Smear? The article has links to police and media sources all over it. You can verify it.


36 posted on 01/31/2019 9:05:19 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: catnipman

They are Libertarian.


37 posted on 01/31/2019 9:07:29 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: wardaddy

It’s as much a knee-jerk hatred of libertarians as anything, which is peculiar given that FR has its own libertarian forum.


38 posted on 01/31/2019 9:07:49 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Red Badger

Did the Police ID themselves before Mr Dogkiller opened up with the shotgun?If somebody kicked in my door and fired a shotgun,he’s going to get about 4 .308 rounds in the chest.


39 posted on 01/31/2019 9:09:11 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: catnipman
“reason.com” is a far, far, far, far “progressive” propaganda outfit ... i don’t believe a word they say ...

Huh? Reason is a far from left wing publication. If anything it is a libertarian publication. Skepticism is wise for anything you read, but you haven't read much of what they publish if you think they are "progressive" or leftist.

40 posted on 01/31/2019 9:09:13 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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