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Trump's Right About 'Ridiculous' Misuse of US Forces
townhall ^ | 2jan19 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 01/06/2019 2:31:31 AM PST by vannrox

Donald Trump has been complaining for years about the promiscuous use of American military personnel. Two weeks ago, he did something about it, announcing the withdrawal of 2,000 troops from Syria and 7,000 from Afghanistan.

Republicans joined Democrats in condemning Trump for acting impulsively, sowing "chaos," and precipitating a "national security crisis." But it's the president's overwrought critics who are making choices without thinking, driven by the momentum of military mistakes to support open-ended commitments that make no sense.

The U.S. intervention in Syria's civil war was never authorized by Congress, and its aims were nebulous. A few months ago, Trump's national security adviser was saying American forces would stay in Syria as long as Iran or its proxies are operating there -- in other words, indefinitely.

U.S. troops have been in Afghanistan for 17 years, and the Taliban occupy more territory than at any time since the 2001 invasion, notwithstanding the 3,500 reinforcements that Trump reluctantly approved in 2017. The withdrawal Trump has in mind would reverse that surge and then some, leaving 7,000 troops in a country the U.S. should have left long ago.

Trump's decision to stop American involvement in one endless war and curtail it in another provoked the resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, which tells you something about the "adults in the room" -- those who supposedly were protecting the country from an erratic, ignorant president's worst instincts. Sometimes, as in "The Emperor's New Clothes," adults are committed to upholding unexamined dogma, and it takes a child to point out the truth.

"The United States cannot continue to be the policeman of the world," Trump said during his visit to Iraq last week. "We're spread out all over the world. We're in countries that most people have never even heard about, and frankly, it's ridiculous."

Trump is right. It's ridiculous that the United States has 26,000 military personnel in South Korea 65 years after the Korean War, 54,000 in Japan 73 years after World War II and 64,000 in a dozen European countries 27 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

These countries are perfectly capable of defending themselves. South Korea's economy is about 50 times as big as North Korea's, while Japan and Germany have the world's third- and fourth-highest gross domestic products, respectively.

Under the hysterical headline "Trump unleashed: Mattis exit paves way for global chaos," CNN reporter Stephen Collinson wrote, "It's no longer absurd to ask questions like whether the President will suddenly decide to pull American troops home from South Korea after decades of keeping the peace or even pulling out of NATO." Collinson, of course, thinks it's self-evidently absurd to suggest that either move would be a good idea.

Trump is right to question commitments that the national security establishment takes for granted, and in this case, his lack of sophistication is an asset. But even such ardent interventionists as Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who complained that Trump's Syria announcement "rattled the world," have trouble keeping track of the country's military operations. Recommended What Do Democrats Mean When They Say They Support Border Security? Derek Hunter

"I didn't know there was 1,000 troops in Niger," Graham, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, confessed after four American soldiers were killed there in October 2017. With U.S. troops deployed in more than 150 countries, perhaps Graham can be forgiven for overlooking a few.

Hawks such as Graham assume all those deployments -- even the ones they don't know about -- are justified. Trump argues that at least some of them are not. Which seems likelier to be true?

New York Times reporter Mark Landler said the abruptness of Trump's decisions regarding Syria and Afghanistan "unite(d) the left and right against a plan to extract the United States from two long, costly and increasingly futile conflicts." Although there are strong arguments for withdrawing from both places, Landler wrote, "the president's move short-circuited what many say is a much-needed national debate about the future of America's wars."

Nonsense. We are having that debate now, and it is long overdue.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: military; trump; war; weapon
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1 posted on 01/06/2019 2:31:31 AM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox

Host nations will appreciate us more when we’re gone. Brazil and Poland are ready to do just that.


2 posted on 01/06/2019 2:58:51 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Something tells me there’s a way out of Guantanamo. It’s expensive to maintain. Overthrow the communists and then pull out. Nothing there. Shoot the terrorist prisoners.


3 posted on 01/06/2019 3:00:37 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: vannrox

It’s nice to have a President who doesn’t see our military like a box of toy soldiers available to play with.


4 posted on 01/06/2019 3:03:37 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: vannrox

I support my President , 100% , in whatever he chooses or decides to do . I just wish he would outlaw & ban the Democrat Party and stand up a new national.civilian militia ,which was under his direct command and not the nitwit Liberal governors. Anyone ready & willing to sign up , other than me ?


5 posted on 01/06/2019 3:12:15 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: vannrox

Walk softly and carry a big stick. No more Team America World Police!


6 posted on 01/06/2019 4:32:06 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.a)
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To: vannrox
Worst of all, as we squander our our ability and moral, others who could be serious military belligerents, grow in their strength of technology.

It's dangerous.

7 posted on 01/06/2019 4:33:10 AM PST by Bogie
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To: vannrox

Remember, Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing - then, 11 days later sent 30,000 troops into Afghanistan.


8 posted on 01/06/2019 4:40:39 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: LeoWindhorse

Leo... You realize that you are describing the very same dictatorship and government the communists are trying to to put into place and would like to have right?

While we might trust Trump with this, what about the next President? Could the next President be trusted with this much power over the states and government?

These checks and balances we have to accept are by design to protect you from this type of power for a very good reason. What hinders the good guy now will also hinder the bad guy who follows later.

It can never be selective and sometimes we have to be careful what we ask for because it might fall into the wrong hands. :)


9 posted on 01/06/2019 4:41:14 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: vannrox

Get us out of:

Germany,
Korea,
Kosovo,
Japan

Get us out of the UN and the UN out of the USA.


10 posted on 01/06/2019 4:45:23 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: vannrox

Our country should quit defending the borders of foreign countries and start defending our own borders.


11 posted on 01/06/2019 4:45:43 AM PST by Texas resident (Democrats=Enemy of People of The United States of America)
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To: vannrox

Get rid of the hog-tying rules of engagement (makes the politicians far from harm’s way feel good about themselves).

And quit the nation-building myth. We can’t even educate our own students on the benefits our constitution confers.


12 posted on 01/06/2019 4:50:03 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Well said and better yet... One who realizes how much these fronts requiring the toy soldiers are truly costing our unborn Great Grandchildren.

And know what? I can see the contractors who supply these fronts getting pissed about it since the announcement. This is a sign it is the right thing to do.

Priorities need to be set, it is time to stop being their best customer and paying for it with our Grandkids futures.


13 posted on 01/06/2019 4:54:23 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: vannrox

Article is from Jan. 2, a lot changed in the meantime, largely a reversal of position.

Clearly, under Trump, we were fighting ISIS, unfortunately, before, some were there to change regimes. I watched Lindsay Graham on CSPAN (at youtube on video) questioning a general why we were there. This was probably pre-election of Trump. Still, the general did not say we were there for regime change.


14 posted on 01/06/2019 5:06:29 AM PST by BeadCounter
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To: P.O.E.

Absolutely. Stomp them when needed and get out. If they pop up again repeat. And with modern technology this can be done from the states with very limited personnel and very little equipment needed on the front. It does not take a whole battalion and heavy equipment to push a few buttons and control a joystick.


15 posted on 01/06/2019 5:09:12 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: vannrox

The troop reductions should be from Italy rather than Afghanistan

A base in Afghanistan guards the Iranian flank.

The bases in italy guard nothing


16 posted on 01/06/2019 5:10:31 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Princess Gray Beaver, for President?)
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To: bert

The dirty little secret is that U.S. troops in Europe are there to protect Europe from Germany, not Russia.


17 posted on 01/06/2019 5:42:07 AM PST by Alberta's Child (In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
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To: LeoWindhorse

Yes, we should ban political parties and create an “internal” security force that would root out citizens who disagree with us.

I’ve seen that movie.

I don’t think you’d like the way it turns out.


18 posted on 01/06/2019 5:50:34 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

“Yes, we should ban political parties and create an “internal” security force that would root out citizens who disagree with us. I’ve seen that movie. I don’t think you’d like the way it turns out.”

You’re already living that movie. The Dems are demanding no one but liberals should have a say and they root out and destroy anyone in their path.


19 posted on 01/06/2019 7:29:04 AM PST by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!.)
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To: Bon mots

And later increased that commitment of troops while simultaneously announcing the withdrawal schedule. What a leader Obama was! /s


20 posted on 01/06/2019 8:16:03 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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