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Divided We Stand The country is hopelessly split. So why not make it official and break up?
NYMAG ^ | 11/14/2018

Posted on 11/14/2018 4:00:34 PM PST by Altura Ct.

Let’s just admit that this arranged marriage isn’t really working anymore, is it? The partisan dynamic in Washington may have changed, but our dysfunctional, codependent relationship is still the same. The midterm results have shown that Democrats have become even more a party of cities and upscale suburbs whose votes are inefficiently packed into dense geographies, Republicans one of exurbs and rural areas overrepresented in the Senate. The new Congress will be more ideologically divided than any before it, according to a scoring system developed by Stanford political scientist Adam Bonica: the Republicans more conservative, the Democrats more liberal

The year is 2019. California’s new governor, Gavin Newsom, recently elected on a platform that included support for the creation of a single-payer health-care system, now must figure out how to enact it. A prior nonpartisan analysis priced it at $400 billion per year — twice the state’s current budget. There appears to be no way to finance such a plan without staggering new taxes, making California a magnet for those with chronic illnesses just as its tax rates send younger, healthier Californians house-hunting in Nevada and big tech employers consider leaving the state.

But Newsom is not alone. Other governors have made similar promises, and Newsom calls together the executives of the most ideologically like-minded states — Oregon, Washington, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maryland. What if they banded to create a sole unified single-payer health-care system, spreading risk around a much larger pool of potential patients while creating uniformity across some of the country’s wealthiest states?

Fifteen end up forming an interstate compact, a well-established mechanism for working together, explicitly introduced in the Constitution. They sketch out the contours of a common health-care market: a unified single-payer regime with start-up costs funded in part by the largest issue ever to hit the municipal-bond market. The governors agree, as well, on a uniform payroll tax and a new tax on millionaires and corporations set to the same rate with revenues earmarked for health-care costs. The Trump administration has already proved willing to grant waivers to states looking to experiment beyond the Affordable Care Act’s standards — primarily for the benefit of those seeking to offer plans on their exchanges with skimpier coverage. But the states can’t act unilaterally: The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress must approve establishment of any compact claiming authority that previously resided with the federal government.

Newsom pressures his friend House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi to introduce a bill that would give the compact all federal money that flows into its constituent states for health-care costs. Pelosi’s members from Arizona and Florida balk at the proposal, which they fear would enable their states’ Republican governors to gut Obamacare protections. But there are scores more from states looking to join the compact, and their governors marshal Democratic House delegations into a bloc. The bill passes the House, with the support of tea-party Republicans eager to strike a blow against federal power. When it reaches the Senate, the initiative comes from Republicans. In 2011, then–Texas governor Rick Perry championed a Health Care Compact Alliance, joined by eight other states seeking a “regulatory shield” against the Affordable Care Act and full control over their Medicare and Medicaid funds. By the time the Democratic bill passes the House, current Texas governor Greg Abbott has rallied more than 20 states, including North Carolina, Missouri, and Arizona, for a new version of the Health Care Compact. He also has the support of two prominent senators, Ted Cruz and Majority Whip John Cornyn. Republicans who had promised for nearly a decade to repeal and replace Obamacare can finally deliver on the promise — for 40 percent of the country.

The president sees opportunity, too. While running for president, Donald Trump called himself “Mr. Brexit,” a boast tied to his apocryphal claim of having accurately predicted the British vote to leave the European Union. Now he’s convinced, thanks largely to a Fox & Friends chyron reading BIGGER THAN BREXIT?, that an even more significant world-historical accomplishment is within reach. Trump lobbies Pelosi and Mitch McConnell to combine their bills. Trump beams at the Rose Garden signing ceremony, calling it “the biggest deal ever” as he goads Pelosi and McConnell into an awkward handshake. Historians will later mark it as the first step in our nation’s slow breakup, the conscious uncoupling of these United States

Let’s just admit that this arranged marriage isn’t really working anymore, is it? The partisan dynamic in Washington may have changed, but our dysfunctional, codependent relationship is still the same. The midterm results have shown that Democrats have become even more a party of cities and upscale suburbs whose votes are inefficiently packed into dense geographies, Republicans one of exurbs and rural areas overrepresented in the Senate. The new Congress will be more ideologically divided than any before it, according to a scoring system developed by Stanford political scientist Adam Bonica: the Republicans more conservative, the Democrats more liberal.

Come January, we are likely to find that we’ve simply shifted to another gear of a perpetual deadlock unlikely to satisfy either side. For the past eight years, there has been no movement toward goals with broad bipartisan support: to fund new infrastructure projects, or for basic gun-control measures like background checks or limits on bump stocks. Divided party control of Capitol Hill will make other advances even less likely. For the near future, the boldest policy proposals are likely to be rollbacks: Democrats angling to revert to a pre-Trump tax code, Republicans to repeal Obama’s health-care law. By December 7, Congress will have to pass spending bills to avoid a government shutdown. Next March looms another deadline to raise the debt ceiling.

Meanwhile, we have discovered that too many of our good-governance guardrails, from avoidance of nepotism to transparency around candidates’ finances, have been affixed by adhesion to norms rather than force of law. The breadth and depth of the dysfunction has even Establishmentarian figures ready to concede that our current system of governance is fatally broken. Some have entertained radical process reforms that would have once been unthinkable. Prominent legal academics on both the left and the right have endorsed proposals to expand the Supreme Court or abolish lifetime tenure for its members, the latter of which has been embraced by Justice Stephen Breyer. Republican senators including Cruz and Mike Lee have pushed to end direct election of senators, which they say strengthens the federal government at the expense of states’ interests.

Policy wonks across the spectrum are starting to rethink the federal compact altogether, allowing local governments to capture previously unforeseen responsibilities. Yuval Levin, a policy adviser close to both Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio, wrote in 2016 that “the absence of easy answers is precisely a reason to empower a multiplicity of problem-solvers throughout our society, rather than hoping that one problem-solver in Washington gets it right.” In a recent book, The New Localism, center-left urbanists Bruce Katz and Jeremy Nowak exalt such local policy innovation specifically as a counterweight to the populism that now dominates national politics across the Americas and Europe. Even if they don’t use the term, states’ rights has become a cause for those on the left hoping to do more than the federal government will. Both Jacobin and The Nation have praised what the latter calls “Progressive Federalism.” San Francisco city attorney Dennis Herrera has called it “the New New Federalism,” a callback to Ronald Reagan’s first-term promise to reduce Washington’s influence over local government. “All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states; the states created the federal government,” Reagan said in his 1981 inaugural address. At the time, Democrats interpreted New Federalism as high-minded cover for a strategy of dismantling New Deal and Great Society programs. Now they see it as their last best hope for a just society.

Some states have attempted to enforce their own citizenship policies, with a dozen permitting undocumented immigrants to acquire driver’s licenses and nearly twice as many to allow them to qualify for in-state tuition. Seven states, along with a slew of municipal governments, have adopted “sanctuary” policies of official noncooperation with federal immigration enforcement. Many governors, including Republicans in Massachusetts and Maryland, have refused to deploy National Guard troops to support Trump’s border policies, and California has sued the federal government to block construction of a wall along the Mexican frontier. After the Trump administration stopped defending an Obama-era Labor Department rule to expand the share of workers entitled to overtime pay, Washington State announced it would enforce its own version of the rule and advised its peers to do the same. “It is now up to states to fortify workers through strong overtime protections,” Washington governor Jay Inslee wrote last week.

In California, officials who regularly boast of overseeing the world’s fifth-largest economy have begun to talk of advancing their own foreign policy. After Trump withdrew from the Paris climate agreement, Governor Jerry Brown — he has said “we are a separate nation in our own minds” — crossed the Pacific to negotiate a bilateral carbon-emissions pact with Chinese president Xi Jinping. “It’s true I didn’t come to Washington, I came to Beijing,” said Brown, who is often received like a head of state when he travels abroad. Around the same time, Brown promised a gathering of climate scientists that the federal government couldn’t entirely kill off their access to research data. “If Trump turns off the satellites,” he said, “California will launch its own damn satellite.”

Brown’s successor Newsom comes to office just as Californians may be forced to reckon with how much farther they are willing to take this ethic of self-reliance. Since 2015, a group of California activists have been circulating petitions to give citizens a direct vote on whether they want to turn California into “a free, sovereign and independent country,” which could trigger a binding 2021 referendum on the question already being called “Calexit.”

During the Obama years, it was conservatives who’d previously talked of states’ rights who began toying with the idea of starting their own countries. “We’ve got a great union. There is absolutely no reason to dissolve it,” Rick Perry said at a tea-party rally in 2009, before adding: “But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what may come out of that?” Perry’s lieutenant governor, David Dewhurst, met with members of the Texas Nationalist Movement on the opening day of a legislative session. Right after this year’s midterms, the would-be leaders of the breakaway republics of Texas and California met at a secessionist conference in Dallas. In 2012, the White House website received secession petitions from all 50 states; Texas’s was the most popular, with more than 125,000 signatures. (A counterpetition demanded that any citizen who signed one of the secession petitions be deported.) Two years later, Reuters found that nearly one-quarter of Americans said they supported the idea of their states breaking away, a position most popular among Republicans and rural westerners.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California; US: New York
KEYWORDS: california; daviddipietro; dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; gavinnewsom; newyork; newyorkcity; secession
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To: Altura Ct.

A better idea

Why don’t the left wing, racist, socialist/Commie malcontents just emigrate to Russia, China, Cuba, NK, Africa, and Venezuela? A built in solution to their issues. They get the tax rates and economy they want, no guns, no religion. Lennon’s Imagine, right before their very eyes.

Plus they get to “ diversify” their new countries

Makes everyone happy. Well, except fir the Russians, Chinese, NK. Cubans et al. But hey, since when did the left care whether the home population liked them or wanted them around?


21 posted on 11/14/2018 4:18:57 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat ("Mods/Indies/Dems/Non-voters" JOBS or MOBS? Are CRAZY DIMS REALLY who you want BACK in POWER?)
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To: Blue House Sue

NO

THE BROOKLYN PART THAT CONTAINS ALBANIANS AND RUSSIANS THAT ARE COMING IN DROVES DID.

but feel free to speak about things you don’t know about :)


22 posted on 11/14/2018 4:18:59 PM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: dp0622
Alright, but make Texas a country and Staten Island a state of Texas. Hell, there’s 500,000 of us on this Island

That's the problem, any splitting up probably goes right through the middle of each town. I'd rather just kick their ass and be done with it.

It will not be so clear as the North and the South the next time, it will be Americans v non-Americans (the latter being those who believe the Constitution is "fundamentally flawed" or can be ignored).

23 posted on 11/14/2018 4:19:12 PM PST by frog in a pot (Obama's "Remaking of America" continues apace in the absence of effective political opposition.)
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To: Altura Ct.

There is no rational way to split the country, even with a Civil War 2.

Along what lines? Political parties? Political ideologies? Cities v rural? States?

One problem with splitting is that the Liberal/Leftist/Socialist side needs money from the others. They eventually run out of their own money.

Another problem is that too many from the Californias, etc., have moved to other states. Why are they leaving paradise? Then, they are slowly turning those states purple and blue. So will we need armed borders or wall to keep the 2 separate?


24 posted on 11/14/2018 4:20:49 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: frog in a pot

You’re right.

There aren’t many states that voted 80 to 20 for Trump and vice versa.

As long as you have 40 percent or above in a state wanting one party, you have a potential war.


25 posted on 11/14/2018 4:21:02 PM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Not that easy. CA gets their drinking water and electricity from other western states(because they refuse to build reservoirs). Goods and services are trucked and trained and shipped and piped all over the lower 55 states. Plus military bases in blue states. Plus financial outfits and company hq’s all over.


26 posted on 11/14/2018 4:21:37 PM PST by lurk
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To: ZULU

F that. They don’t deserve s***, let alone half the country. Just take their immigrant and progeny voters and GTFO

Plenty of places will want them . . .

Well, on second thought, I don’t rightly think so


27 posted on 11/14/2018 4:22:07 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat ("Mods/Indies/Dems/Non-voters" JOBS or MOBS? Are CRAZY DIMS REALLY who you want BACK in POWER?)
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To: Altura Ct.

The last time this was proposed here, we ended up with a name-calling match. For my part, I would be glad to find some small corner of the world where my wife and I could find safety from these people until we die (naturally, not with their “medical assistance”).


28 posted on 11/14/2018 4:22:22 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Altura Ct.

If those in blue states would still be able to move to red states, then this would be fruitless!!


29 posted on 11/14/2018 4:22:39 PM PST by FLvoter
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To: dp0622
Albanians?
30 posted on 11/14/2018 4:23:06 PM PST by Blue House Sue
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To: Blue House Sue

My apologies for the curt response.

Still devastated over it.

And it’s not just Russians and Albanians in Brooklyn.

They’ve infested here too.

Now I know how southerners feel about northern Ds moving there.


31 posted on 11/14/2018 4:24:23 PM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Altura Ct.

I think the Good Lord gave us brains to settle these things out amongst ourselves peacefully.... Jesus would not want bloodshed. He gave us all a mind to think with...


32 posted on 11/14/2018 4:25:39 PM PST by RagtimeCowboyJoe
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To: TallahasseeConservative

Texas v. White. Texas v. White, (1869), U.S. Supreme Court case in which it was held that the United States is “an indestructible union” from which no state can secede.


33 posted on 11/14/2018 4:26:37 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Altura Ct.

Problem is the Left always has to have it all. Just like “homosexual rights”. Ultimately, they will not leave you alone to live and let live. You are only entitled to the country they allow you to have.


34 posted on 11/14/2018 4:26:43 PM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: DoodleBob

DoodleBob we are losing many of these states faster than we can blink an eye!!!! I think we have lost AZ. and NV. already!!!!


35 posted on 11/14/2018 4:26:53 PM PST by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Altura Ct.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other."
-- Abraham Lincoln
36 posted on 11/14/2018 4:27:11 PM PST by Publius
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To: Altura Ct.

Liberals should be relocated to the Ross ice shelf.


37 posted on 11/14/2018 4:27:47 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

It would be nice if we could trade and equal number of Venezuelans with Liberals. Libs would have to move to Venezuela permanently. They like socialism. V already has it. All they need to do is try to fix it — without foreign aid from the rest of us.

I suspect we could find more than enough Venezuelans willing to trade places with Libs. V’s would have to agree to assimilate into the American culture.

[The trouble is, Libs talk a big game about leaving the country if Mr. X or Mz Y is elected, but never call they moving vans.]


38 posted on 11/14/2018 4:34:11 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: carriage_hill; wattojawa

Ping.


39 posted on 11/14/2018 4:34:20 PM PST by lightman (Obama's legacy in 13 letters: BLM, ISIS, & ANTIFA. New axis of evil.)
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To: Altura Ct.

The problem is leftists are expansionists,


40 posted on 11/14/2018 4:37:47 PM PST by Retvet (Retvet)
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