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The Last Two Chapters of THE BELL CURVE by Herrnstein and Murray
The Archive ^ | 11.26.17 | Herrnstein and Murray

Posted on 11/26/2017 1:18:11 PM PST by Chickensoup

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This is the last two chapters of the Bell Curve. I have read them several times over the years and consider them the two most prescient and gently thoughtful chapters on policymaking ever. I am delighted to share them with you. Remember these chapters were written in 1994, almost a quarter of a century ago.

They discuss the two different options afforded to our society, in dealing with intelligence, social connections, and poverty; one being harsh and totalitarian, and the other being inclusive in the best of ways, and highly textured.

I highly recommend reading these chapters. I am delighted to find this website so I can share this with you.

1 posted on 11/26/2017 1:18:11 PM PST by Chickensoup
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I guess McConnell and Ryan are at the head of the cognitive elite but they just seem like assholes to me.


2 posted on 11/26/2017 1:21:41 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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Interesting, but now I am all depressed thinking about how 1994 was nearly a quarter of a century ago...


3 posted on 11/26/2017 1:25:10 PM PST by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: Chickensoup

Thanks for posting.


4 posted on 11/26/2017 1:26:31 PM PST by deadrock
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bfl


5 posted on 11/26/2017 1:30:19 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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I have found these chapters to be so important. I have even spoken to Murray and written to him about the chapters. His newer books on poverty expand on these chapters, but frankly, I found the chapters to be better, more succinct and clear.


6 posted on 11/26/2017 1:31:44 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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7 posted on 11/26/2017 1:32:34 PM PST by tomkat
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To: Chickensoup

great post. read the bell curve a long time ago, had forgotten how prescient it is.


8 posted on 11/26/2017 1:33:09 PM PST by beebuster2000
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To: miss marmelstein

The last two chapters discuss the morality of managing a culture with many different kinds of people and how to make it work well, as it once did in our great-great’s times.


9 posted on 11/26/2017 1:33:10 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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Thanks for posting.


10 posted on 11/26/2017 1:37:05 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the SEALs of Extortion 17 - and God Bless The United States of America.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Yes, we need to really think about the cognitive elite. Give me a day at the special Olympics over a day with McConnell and Ryan. I’ve changed a LOT since I read the Bell Curve. I spend my days with a genius IQ and a low IQ person and I can’t say one is necessarily “better” than the other either under Gd or just to hang with.


11 posted on 11/26/2017 1:38:20 PM PST by Yaelle
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I don’t the “elite” that run things are particularly bright, just particularly hungry for power. If they were particularly bright, they’d see the emptiness of what they desire.


12 posted on 11/26/2017 1:45:52 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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Charles Murray was physically attacked at Middlebury College last spring.

He ended up having to run for his safety, and a liberal professor helping him was injured.

The most hated chapter in "The Bell Curve" is his analysis of race and IQ.

Statistics are what they are.

What the left doesn't "get" is that Murray has been raising warning flags of the rise of the elite for years, and its effect on society as a whole.

His argument, also, is valid across the racial spectrum.

But it was all drowned out because of the chapter on race and IQ.


13 posted on 11/26/2017 1:47:13 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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All this stuff about some cognitive elite.

Is John Conyers part of the some cognitive elite? Is Hillary Clinton? Most of the people in government do not strike me as particularly intelligent, which is probably why they have such difficulty with Donald Trump.

ML/NJ

14 posted on 11/26/2017 1:49:08 PM PST by ml/nj
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I don’t the “elite” that run things are particularly bright, just particularly hungry for power. If they were particularly bright, they’d see the emptiness of what they desire.

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That hunger for power is a particular factor of intelligence. You are mistaking moral intelligence for IQ. They have nothing to do with each other.


15 posted on 11/26/2017 1:59:04 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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Is John Conyers part of the some cognitive elite? Is Hillary Clinton? Most of the people in government do not strike me as particularly intelligent, which is probably why they have such difficulty with Donald Trump.

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There is political intelligence and there is being someone’s puppet and pawn.


16 posted on 11/26/2017 2:00:32 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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Boils down to couple of ideas...Elite have their house negroes( black,Brown,Asian etc) to help do away with the minority groups and the white elite destroy everyone else..Then the white elite get rid of the few house negroes, and they control,own and enjoy the whole damn pie....


17 posted on 11/26/2017 2:01:20 PM PST by Hambone 1934
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“You are mistaking moral intelligence for IQ. They have nothing to do with each other.”

Well said.

L


18 posted on 11/26/2017 2:01:21 PM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Intelligence is never any guarantee of wisdom.

Or virtue, for that matter.


19 posted on 11/26/2017 2:04:30 PM PST by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: SkyPilot

I know he was attacked by people who are so ignorant of basic human information.

We live in increasingly feral times and some ferals walk the university halls.

The information in his book was interesting and funnily enough, professionals who get together and let their hair down, certainly agree with all the premises.

I thought it was also interesting that whites really got shafted in the book as it showed the large gap between Asian and White IQs. No one talked about that little potato.


20 posted on 11/26/2017 2:09:24 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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