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I'd prefer the guy at the next urinal
kept his poisson distribution to himself.
Women seldom have that problem.
Posted on 10/05/2017 12:25:22 PM PDT by Bob Celeste
from the facebook page of Lloyd Acree.......Take it from 8 years' professional Marine Corps machine gunnery and marksmanship expertise:
Having trained to pro military "expert"-grade skill sets on rifle marksmanship and multiple machine guns in the Marine Corps infantry, I quickly started noticing a fowl odor in the news narrative on this Vegas massacre. The following are the weapons I am tired of shooting copious rounds through on both known and unknown distance ranges, running, hiking and training with, disassembling and reassembling, etc. Notice they all shoot automatic or can if switched over. - M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (full automatic) - M4/M16 (3-round auto) - M240G/B (full automatic) - IAR M27 (full automatic, top-dollar M16 variant)
I spent 8+ years training and shooting to military specs, not only with these machine guns but also pistols, shotguns and explosive weapons, not counting heavier machine guns and robotic mounting equipment used in private contracting overseas after my military service.
Now the distance shot from the Vegas hotel to the "Village" concert of about 400-500 yards would be too familiar with a single-shot AR15 to any Marine, but that is our **farthest** distance that we qualify with in the Marine Corps (people look like tiny letter i's in the distance at this point). We never shoot full automatic at this range unless we are using an imprecise burst to keep the enemy pinned, and that is only if your weapon is heavily secured to mitigate all the recoil. You just can't expect many kills at 500 yards even with a properly sighted slow fire rifle. But I will get back to this.
Now as a former point man, machine gunner, team leader, and assistant patrol leader, my ability to plan and implement these weapons is comparable with what we saw occur there in Las Vegas. Notice I did not say that the shooting was better than my abilities, but neither am I saying I could do a lot better - what I have observed as video/audio evidence is simply run-of-the-mill shooting. For Marines in the infantry, that is, IF they have professionally adjusted optics sighted to their preferred distance for engagement AND high quality vise-like stabilization. I knew something wasn't right when I kept hearing survivors say that their friends had received multiple bullets to the same body part. For example, one guy said his friend took three bullets to the chest--all while he was standing next to his friend! This means the man was shot three times all at once in the same burst, OR he was shot near-simultaneously by multiple shooters (that tends to happen if you are in the open wearing a red shirt or stand out for some similar reason). Then, another witness said he saw a man with four bullets in his head. I doubt it was actually four but obviously there were multiple holes there. These shot groupings at that distance from the hotel, considering this is a real-life killing, are already professional rate even with just a semi-automatic. But this is also full auto?
You might have already guessed, yes I knew right away the shooter was using a tripod or similar gear to stabilize the gun(s). But that alone is not enough to achieve both the high rate of fire and precision accuracy that occurred in Vegas. Only a precision-sighted rifle with a quality optic can drill those kinds of groupings at such a distance, but there's more--the longevity and redundancy of machine gun fire. This accuracy was no trick of a semi-auto trigger, as using a bump stock requires extra manipulation of the foregrip to slap the trigger against the finger (which would entail pulling against the tripod instead of leaning into it), instead of squeezing it smoothly as should be done for precise shot groups. In any case there was no accuracy to be had here in conventional light-weight full automatic gunfire, no matter how good the scope was, because a light-weight rifle such as the AR15 will rock and "climb" in direct proportion to the recoil of the rounds being fired. In other words, you can't stabilize your shots if your weapon isn't heavy, or at least locked down to something heavy, and if he was using a bump stock then we have to rule out that necessary stability.
Further, this man in his mid-60s who has sat for years in the seat of an accountant's desk, supposedly carried all these long-barreled weapons, ammo, and gear through the hotel by himself? He always kept his guns hidden from room service and his hefty logistics never tipped off the security guards?
This would all just be a conspiracy theory except that we also have footage proving that it was indeed multiple shooters from different locations around the building (see link below).
Who would conspire to sell this false story and cover up the real shooters?
We know that the leftist institutions, mainstream media (operation mockingbird), and the military industrial Congressional complex, funded and manipulated by deep state non-elected officials with immense power (aka "the swamp"), are all in cahoots to paint Donald Trump in a bad light no matter what happens. We know they want him impeached for the desperate, unsubstantiated accusation that he used Russian support to be elected (yet the Saudis are hand-in-glove with these accusers just as they funded our DNC candidates' campaigns). Do you really think that they would be so far from slaughtering a hundred country music fans if it meant they regained the helm of the entire US government? And now you see they are ramping up their push to take away America's guns. Why? Once we are under the boot, no one can stop a kangaroo court of corrupt officials from indicting Trump on baseless lies. At that point, there will be no bill of rights left, either. As if we still even have one after all the damage inflicted by the far-reaching patriot act.
These conspirators know they have to use a dramatic shooting like this one if they are to gain further ground: the public must receive a traumatic sensory immersion that scars our memory and thus eclipses the factual myriad stories we have of mom-and-pop locals stopping crime with their concealed carry pistols or home owners' shotguns. Law-abiding gun owners across the nation save lives in vastly variegated situations which is easy to read about if you simply keep in the know, but if you are informed only by the opinionated Hollywood celebs then, by all means, "big brother" is the only one who should have all the firepower. Because, you know, absolute power tends to soothe the bureaucratic soul into absolute moderation, or something like that.
This is not a legality problem: it's mass hysteria deliberately triggered by national terrorism to achieve population controls. This is precisely the definition of terrorism: to achieve political agendas by the use of violence and the fear of it! The bravest thing we can do is assert our rights and our human dignity, keep our minds sharp, and maintain our weapons to always war against true fascism--the very darkness this country was founded to fight.
Fear-driven abandonment is not the answer, just as big brother is never your friend.
- Lloyd Acree
I don’t think so either. He was hosing bullets at a packed crowd, as you say. He was bound to hit lots of them.
Uhm, I think men who don't know each other in locker rooms favor giving each other room while disrobed. Just as we favor urinals not next to those in use etc. Not random at all. And nothing like a Poisson distribution.
No need for accuracy. A blind squirrel behind the trigger could have killed as many.
Thanks for your well thought out and printed response.
Back ...
and to the Left!
You are mistaken.
Not only am I not mistaken, an entire village of smurfs crossed your bridge without paying the toll while I had you distracted.
You win the internet today
“Moreover his contention that a non-military person would lack the logistical skill to smuggle that much equipment in is just stupid.”
Correct. Most people have made a simple move from a residence. You can move a bunch of stuff with one person.
Not the least bit distracted by poseurs pretending to know statistics who don’t. I can bat you around the floor all day without even getting a paw tired.
Sure straw doesn't weigh very much. Btw another village of smurfs snuck across while you were bragging.
Thank you for knowing how to bump fire. Ha. So sick of hearing nonsense.
My first paid job as a youth was digging a footing course for a neighbor who was installing a new oil furnace in his dirt-floored basement. My second was mucking out a henhouse, though we called it a chicken coop. I'll take the digging anytime! That ammonia odor can be pretty nasty!
Hey, now, this guy was not shooting a folks 600 yds away. Google earth and its scale shows not more than 300 yds to the center of the plaza of the concert venue, the vertical height does not add much, as the room was approx. 320-350 feet above the target area, my trig shows a cosine angle of about 12 degrees, so 340 yards on the slant. This was not to do at all. Just took a big distraction ( loud concert, late evening drinks flowing freely etc) then havoc and confusion to make the target area remain fairly static for a few more minutes.
12 slide-fire equipped rifles, optic or dot, bipods and 30 to 60 round mag.... Lots of fires in a few minutes, then interrupted by the Sec Grd, caps himself (maybe, maybe not?) shortly thereafter.
Expert rifleman? not likely, good at planning this awful event? definitely. Alone or had help? You tell me. But I do subscribe to the monthly “Occam’s Razor” magazine....
when we’re traveling, we never want anyone in our room...if we need more towels, we just find the housekeeper...
>> Only a precision-sighted rifle with a quality optic can drill those kinds of groupings at such a distance
Any reports of cars hit on Las Vegas Blvd?
>> No need for accuracy.
Sure there is. Take a look at the range and notice no reports of pedestrians or vehicles getting hit along the blvd.
I estimated a 1250’ range. Recent graphics show 1150’. 400 yards.
Something else I noticed the morning of the attack reported on RSBN: The videos from within the concert area recorded a constant rate of fire. Another video at the base of Mandalay recorded a variable rate fire.
Distribute enough rounds over a "beaten area" -- densely covered with humans -- at a high rate of fire, and, statistically, you're going to hit lots of people. Add in hard surfaces and a grazing angle, and your misses become ricochets that, while less lethal, will sigificantly up the casualty count
Granted, some may be hit in the little toe, and others, between the eyes -- and many may escape unscathed -- but, it's nearly impossible not to create a lot of carnage and chaos.
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Terrorism at its most fundamental level...
And that writer is one Gyrene who is totally too full of himself -- and of Bravo Sierra...
Ignorant on all the shooting particulars. But at the time of this attack, pretty much no one, not law enforcement nor the Vegas crowd, knew this was coming. No one knew if this was a plot involving a single shooter or multiple shooters over the area. Thus unless there is some proof there was a shooter elsewhere, there probably wasn’t. It turned out it was just the one shots were coming from. So where is the conspiracy, if LE and the public were sure after a while that all the shots were coming from the MB hotel?
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