Posted on 10/05/2017 12:25:22 PM PDT by Bob Celeste
from the facebook page of Lloyd Acree.......Take it from 8 years' professional Marine Corps machine gunnery and marksmanship expertise:
Having trained to pro military "expert"-grade skill sets on rifle marksmanship and multiple machine guns in the Marine Corps infantry, I quickly started noticing a fowl odor in the news narrative on this Vegas massacre. The following are the weapons I am tired of shooting copious rounds through on both known and unknown distance ranges, running, hiking and training with, disassembling and reassembling, etc. Notice they all shoot automatic or can if switched over. - M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (full automatic) - M4/M16 (3-round auto) - M240G/B (full automatic) - IAR M27 (full automatic, top-dollar M16 variant)
I spent 8+ years training and shooting to military specs, not only with these machine guns but also pistols, shotguns and explosive weapons, not counting heavier machine guns and robotic mounting equipment used in private contracting overseas after my military service.
Now the distance shot from the Vegas hotel to the "Village" concert of about 400-500 yards would be too familiar with a single-shot AR15 to any Marine, but that is our **farthest** distance that we qualify with in the Marine Corps (people look like tiny letter i's in the distance at this point). We never shoot full automatic at this range unless we are using an imprecise burst to keep the enemy pinned, and that is only if your weapon is heavily secured to mitigate all the recoil. You just can't expect many kills at 500 yards even with a properly sighted slow fire rifle. But I will get back to this.
Now as a former point man, machine gunner, team leader, and assistant patrol leader, my ability to plan and implement these weapons is comparable with what we saw occur there in Las Vegas. Notice I did not say that the shooting was better than my abilities, but neither am I saying I could do a lot better - what I have observed as video/audio evidence is simply run-of-the-mill shooting. For Marines in the infantry, that is, IF they have professionally adjusted optics sighted to their preferred distance for engagement AND high quality vise-like stabilization. I knew something wasn't right when I kept hearing survivors say that their friends had received multiple bullets to the same body part. For example, one guy said his friend took three bullets to the chest--all while he was standing next to his friend! This means the man was shot three times all at once in the same burst, OR he was shot near-simultaneously by multiple shooters (that tends to happen if you are in the open wearing a red shirt or stand out for some similar reason). Then, another witness said he saw a man with four bullets in his head. I doubt it was actually four but obviously there were multiple holes there. These shot groupings at that distance from the hotel, considering this is a real-life killing, are already professional rate even with just a semi-automatic. But this is also full auto?
You might have already guessed, yes I knew right away the shooter was using a tripod or similar gear to stabilize the gun(s). But that alone is not enough to achieve both the high rate of fire and precision accuracy that occurred in Vegas. Only a precision-sighted rifle with a quality optic can drill those kinds of groupings at such a distance, but there's more--the longevity and redundancy of machine gun fire. This accuracy was no trick of a semi-auto trigger, as using a bump stock requires extra manipulation of the foregrip to slap the trigger against the finger (which would entail pulling against the tripod instead of leaning into it), instead of squeezing it smoothly as should be done for precise shot groups. In any case there was no accuracy to be had here in conventional light-weight full automatic gunfire, no matter how good the scope was, because a light-weight rifle such as the AR15 will rock and "climb" in direct proportion to the recoil of the rounds being fired. In other words, you can't stabilize your shots if your weapon isn't heavy, or at least locked down to something heavy, and if he was using a bump stock then we have to rule out that necessary stability.
Further, this man in his mid-60s who has sat for years in the seat of an accountant's desk, supposedly carried all these long-barreled weapons, ammo, and gear through the hotel by himself? He always kept his guns hidden from room service and his hefty logistics never tipped off the security guards?
This would all just be a conspiracy theory except that we also have footage proving that it was indeed multiple shooters from different locations around the building (see link below).
Who would conspire to sell this false story and cover up the real shooters?
We know that the leftist institutions, mainstream media (operation mockingbird), and the military industrial Congressional complex, funded and manipulated by deep state non-elected officials with immense power (aka "the swamp"), are all in cahoots to paint Donald Trump in a bad light no matter what happens. We know they want him impeached for the desperate, unsubstantiated accusation that he used Russian support to be elected (yet the Saudis are hand-in-glove with these accusers just as they funded our DNC candidates' campaigns). Do you really think that they would be so far from slaughtering a hundred country music fans if it meant they regained the helm of the entire US government? And now you see they are ramping up their push to take away America's guns. Why? Once we are under the boot, no one can stop a kangaroo court of corrupt officials from indicting Trump on baseless lies. At that point, there will be no bill of rights left, either. As if we still even have one after all the damage inflicted by the far-reaching patriot act.
These conspirators know they have to use a dramatic shooting like this one if they are to gain further ground: the public must receive a traumatic sensory immersion that scars our memory and thus eclipses the factual myriad stories we have of mom-and-pop locals stopping crime with their concealed carry pistols or home owners' shotguns. Law-abiding gun owners across the nation save lives in vastly variegated situations which is easy to read about if you simply keep in the know, but if you are informed only by the opinionated Hollywood celebs then, by all means, "big brother" is the only one who should have all the firepower. Because, you know, absolute power tends to soothe the bureaucratic soul into absolute moderation, or something like that.
This is not a legality problem: it's mass hysteria deliberately triggered by national terrorism to achieve population controls. This is precisely the definition of terrorism: to achieve political agendas by the use of violence and the fear of it! The bravest thing we can do is assert our rights and our human dignity, keep our minds sharp, and maintain our weapons to always war against true fascism--the very darkness this country was founded to fight.
Fear-driven abandonment is not the answer, just as big brother is never your friend.
- Lloyd Acree
This addresses some of my suspicions - as does the article by Mike Adams on Natural News, “Mission Impossible.”
Shooting stopped after security guy was shot through the door, 10 or 11 minutes after shooting started. It was 72 minutes after shooting started before they blasted in the door. They were not in a hurry to bust down door because shooting stopped after 10-11 minutes.
Shooting stopped after security guy was shot through the door, 10 or 11 minutes after shooting started. It was 72 minutes after shooting started before they blasted in the door. They were not in a hurry to bust down door because shooting stopped after 10-11 minutes.
This guy isn’t the “expert” he thinks he is. He’s just another guy on the internet with an opinion. I say he is full of shit.
Oh really? Then you're just as nuts as this guy is...........
we also have footage proving that it was indeed multiple shooters from different locations around the building
Where is the footage? Where is the proof? Most importantly, why hasn't the law enforcement mentioned it? What do they have to lose in reporting it?
There is just something wrong with this whole thing. After 60 some years, he just snaps, with nothing leading up to it? Huh?
Fowl odor can be pretty foul, especially when concentrated as in a henhouse.
That the ATF says Jesus Campos (the Security Guard) was an accomplice.
Typical Gotnews BS.
You can if every square inch of a two acre target is packed with people.
I think the guys in the locker room have far more control over where they stand than the shooter had over whether his rounds hit an individual target. I don't think its reasonable to model it as a random distribution of any kind, but to look for other causes as to why they are close together.
By then, Paddock had stopped shooting. Investigators believe he had been firing off and on for nine to 11 minutes, McMahill said.
JFC, pay attention.
I suspect he had a motive, we just have not verified one yet. Maybe the ISIS claims are true, maybe its something else. ISIS does have a strong presence in the Philippines. His girl friend is from there. Maybe a coincidence...but plausibly not.
You are correct sir!
Thank you
You are correct sir!
Thank you
Well I am a special forces seal sniper ninja master on the internet with 524 years of experience in continuous combat every day and I say he is full of crap. So there!
well, again, the audio has the police reporting victims with gunshot wounds that were away from the general area of the concert grounds, and the reports of gunshots were not gunshot sounds, but actual gunshots, as heard by a large amount of trained police, even after it was established on the audio, the shots were coming from the 32nd floor, the reports continued coming in from other areas of wounded that the gunman would have been hard pressed to get to from his vantage point.
One round—fragmented?
One round—fragmented?
If they know each other, something else altogether is going on.
Sorry; at the ranges stated, having qualified as an expert shooter for 5 years in the Marine Corps, I just can’t believe that any of the victims of this nuts rampage took 3 or 4 rounds to any part of the body in as tight a pattern as said.
3 shots to the head, don’t think so, the body would have been falling damn fast after the first hit.
4 shots to the chest, just the impact would have moved the body enough to disrupt the pattern.
The people who said they saw these wounds were just terrified and panicked, they saw blood spatter that they misinterpreted as additional wounds.
The crowd was packed in so tight at the event that a chimpanzee could have got as many hits.
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