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How to Slam Dunk Creationists on Evolution
RealClearScience ^ | August 3, 2017 | Paul Braterman

Posted on 08/06/2017 9:38:48 AM PDT by EveningStar

The 2001 discovery of the seven million-year-old Sahelanthropus, the first known upright ape-like creatures, was yet more proof of humanity’s place among the great apes. And yet Mike Pence, then a representative and now US vice president, argues for the opposite conclusion.

For him, our ideas about our ancestors have changed, proving once more that evolution was a theory, and therefore we should be free to teach other theories alongside evolution in our classrooms.

How to respond? The usual answer is that we should teach students the meaning of the word “theory” as used in science – that is, a hypothesis (or idea) that has stood up to repeated testing. Pence’s argument will then be exposed to be what philosophers call an equivocation – an argument that only seems to make sense because the same word is being used in two different senses.

Just words

Evolution, Pence argues, is a theory, theories are uncertain, therefore evolution is uncertain. But evolution is a theory only in the scientific sense of the word. And in the words of the National Academy of Sciences, “The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence.” Attaching this label to evolution is an indicator of strength, not weakness.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: creationism; creationists; evolution; mikepence; paulbraterman; pence; religion; sahelanthropus; science; theory; yec
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To: reasonisfaith

“Faith and true science always agree. “

They don’t have to agree at all. Each is separate unto their own.


41 posted on 08/06/2017 3:27:59 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: tjd1454

They are separate things. They do not need to agree. Faith is not harmed if science comes to a different conclusion, science is not harmed if biblical creation is believed or taught by those who wish to.


42 posted on 08/06/2017 3:31:50 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: EveningStar
well per the theory its a both random mutation first and then follow natural selective

A out of large number of totaly random mutation ...myou may have some that just by happen stance offer serendipitous advantage to the animal with a mutation ....and because of that serendipitous advantage that animals more likely to survive and more likely to reproduce so that mutation is more likely to get propagated

..IE random mutations produce some animals that juse happened to have longer necks...amd if they eat leaves in trees.. because they have longer necks they can reach higher in the trees to get leaves that other can not ... so they have serendipitously found new unexploded niche for food...and the giraffe is created

43 posted on 08/06/2017 5:46:21 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: txrefugee

Even for a single cell to split is extraordinarily complicated to a degree that is nearly unfathomable. Yes, reproduction, of any kind, cannot take place without God creating it thus.


44 posted on 08/06/2017 5:57:04 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus?)
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To: EveningStar

Evolutionists always steer clear of how creation came about in the beginning. Science is clear something cannot come from nothing, yet without a Creator they want us to believe the “first thing” whatever it was energy or matter magically appeared from nothing. No universe, no energy, no matter, no life , no Creator. That is scientifically impossible!

There had to be a Creator for something to come from nothing. ..the only “thing” in existence being the Creator, Who has to be intelligent and eternal (not created Himself).


45 posted on 08/06/2017 6:00:19 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: blackpacific

1Corinthians 3:19
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
3:20
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.


46 posted on 08/06/2017 6:05:00 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus?)
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To: pangaea6

I agree. Whatever contradicts what God has said is a lie. I don’t expect unbelievers to accept that, and I don’t care what they think. The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.


47 posted on 08/06/2017 7:13:06 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. ~ Hosea 8:7)
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To: pangaea6

The same crowd who insist they know how life began (without God) cannot and will not say “when life begins” in the womb. Plenty of observable evidence but it doesn’t support their conclusion that abortion is not murder.


48 posted on 08/06/2017 7:51:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Bill Clinton and Al Gore took illegal campaign contributions from the Chi-Coms and 'nobody' cared..)
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To: RFEngineer

Ask the scientists if God did not create the universe, was God surprised by the Big Bang? Did god(s) spring forth from the Big Bang? Does God not exist?


49 posted on 08/06/2017 7:57:21 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Bill Clinton and Al Gore took illegal campaign contributions from the Chi-Coms and 'nobody' cared..)
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To: KC_Lion

Or, as Rush Limbaugh said once, if the spotted owl can’t adapt, screw the spotted owl !


50 posted on 08/07/2017 3:50:00 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: tjd1454
You're committing a category error.
51 posted on 08/07/2017 3:52:05 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: tophat9000
What set of mutations must occur spontaneously and simultaneously for a longer neck to be created successfully?

(Blood vessels keeping blood at high enough pressure to climb the gravity well; veins preventing the blood from "falling" too quickly down the neck; structural changes to the esophagus and lungs to pull air in from so many feet away; changes to the frame/chassis of the beast to balance the long neck, including the front legs being so much higher than the hind legs; adaptations to the cervical vertebrae and spine; and those cute little joystick-looking horns on the head.)

What is the rate at which mutations occur within that portion of the genome?

What is the expected time for the proper set of mutations to occur -- compared to the time over which the environment changes?

Are there any trade-offs to having such a long neck (not being able to scurry into the foliage to escape predators)?

What corresponding genes lengthened the legs?

When and how did the male challenge / courtship behavior change (fighting by slamming the other male with one's neck)?

These must all be accounted for by random mutations occurring in tandem.

52 posted on 08/07/2017 4:01:40 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: catnipman

leftist give us fake nutrition (meat and fat cause diabetes, grain diets are healthy)

how do you get the bread that Jesus and people of the time ate often without grain? Genesis in bible says God gave us every seed bearing plant as food. That includes grains.

How do we make bread to have Communion as He told us to do in memory of Him without grain?


53 posted on 08/07/2017 4:51:06 AM PDT by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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To: EveningStar

Which came first the penis or the vagina


54 posted on 08/07/2017 6:30:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: catnipman

Shake our beakers?

I’d rather pluck my magic twanger froggy


55 posted on 08/07/2017 6:34:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tophat9000

Where are the California giraffes; that munch on the top of redwoods?


56 posted on 08/07/2017 6:40:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: free_life

How many times did life appear and die before it decided it had better learn how to reproduce or else have eternal life?


57 posted on 08/07/2017 6:42:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: grey_whiskers
understand I'm just giving what the theory of natural selection states.. that the theory's logic.....

Not mine

The people that state they believe in natural selection .. and state it a proved fact ... also seem to believe in all these new gender... and do not seem to see it conflicts with the theory of natural selection they profess as fact......people like Bill Nye the "Sicence Guy" who talk out on both sides of their mouth an the same time

58 posted on 08/07/2017 9:00:00 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: tophat9000
Understand Darwin's stated that Natural selection is exclusively responsible for the creation of all species
59 posted on 08/07/2017 9:04:42 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: tophat9000

Nonetheless, the model as popularly presented, is incomplete or oversimplified.


60 posted on 08/07/2017 9:09:05 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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