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Christians were WRONG to brand Satan evil as scientist insists devil is good
Express ^ | PUBLISHED: 11:01, Sat, Jul 22, 2017 | UPDATED: 14:41, Sat, Jul 22, 2017 | Sean Martin

Posted on 07/27/2017 4:12:15 AM PDT by vannrox

The shock claim comes from a scientist who has spent more than 40 years researching the subject.

According to Henry Ansgar Kelly, a research professor from the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), there is actually “no evidence” to sugges the devil should be portrayed as evil.

Instead, Professor Kelly suggests Christians have got it wrong and Satan was actually trying to do good and is on God’s side, but got “overzealous” in his judgements.

He said: "There's little or no evidence in the Bible for most of the characteristics and deeds commonly attributed to Satan.

"A strict reading of the Bible shows Satan to be less like Darth Vader and more and more like an overzealous prosecutor.

"He's not so much the proud and angry figure who turns away from God as he is a Joseph McCarthy or J. Edgar Hoover.

“Satan's basic intention is to uncover wrongdoing and treachery, however overzealous and unscrupulous the means. But he's still part of God's administration."

The professor blames the misrepresentation of the devil at the feet of third century philosopher Origen of Alexandria.

In his best known work, ‘On First Things’, Origen argued that the mention of Lucifer in the Old Testament must refer to Satan, but Professor Kelly says there is no reference to ‘Satan’ or ‘the Devil’ in the Old Testament and followers of Christianity have simply confused the two.

Professor Kelly says "'Lucifer' is Latin for light-bearer”, and Lucifer in the Old Testament is actually a reference to a tyrannical Babylonian king who is “cast to the ground”, which is where the confusion begins.

He said: "Origen says, 'Lucifer is said to have fallen from Heaven. This can't refer to a human being, so it must refer to Satan.'

“Subsequent church fathers found this reasoning persuasive, and so did everyone who followed them."

More confusion comes from the story of Adam and Eve, says Professor Kelly, where once again, people have assumed that the serpent is the Devil.

He said: "Nobody in the Old Testament — or, for that matter, in the New Testament either — ever identifies the serpent of Eden with Satan.

"The serpent is just the smartest animal, and he's motivated by envy after being jilted by Adam for Eve.

"Everyone else has said that by the time Satan gets to the New Testament, he is evil, he's an enemy of God, but that's not so.

"The whole biblical picture of Satan is that of a bad cop to Yaweh's good cop in the Old Testament, and to Jesus' good cop in the New Testament. Throughout, Satan is someone who works for God."

Professor Kelly admitted: "What I'm saying will be scandalous to some people.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bble; democrat; denial; devil; evil; religiousleft; satan
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To: vannrox

This guy is in for a lot of woe.


61 posted on 07/27/2017 5:33:14 AM PDT by xp38
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To: pgkdan

So true; I used to love watching the History Channel, now I have no interest at all...


62 posted on 07/27/2017 5:33:45 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Cyclops08

They are very actively working to undermine your faith, and if they can’t do that they’ll work on the next generation...


63 posted on 07/27/2017 5:35:09 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: vannrox

Maybe he should meditate on what Jesus said about Satan........as Jesus is the ultimate authority on scripture and everything else.....


64 posted on 07/27/2017 5:37:28 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: vannrox
Image result for saul alinsky lucifer
65 posted on 07/27/2017 5:38:21 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, the REAL Russia-US scandal (UraniumOne Deal, Missile Defense, Nukes) See my home page)
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To: vannrox

Wow.
Hell’s minions are getting more and more blatant.
Satan is walking among us, making rude gestures, and we refuse to see him.


66 posted on 07/27/2017 5:49:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Tax-chick
The very old gentleman is a "distinguished research professor of English,"

"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English..."

Note the red communist star on the old schmuck's shirt.

67 posted on 07/27/2017 5:49:46 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, the REAL Russia-US scandal (UraniumOne Deal, Missile Defense, Nukes) See my home page)
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To: vannrox
I just finished writing a novel in which I wanted to introduce the Devil but give a different slant to what he was and his attributes. I needed to give him some sort of limitation, so I conceived of him as being restricted to telling only the truth, which he uses as a weapon to play upon the guilt of sinners and cause them to despair of being able to aspire to the divine. His hell is full of souls who remain there of their own free will, unable to face the shame and guilt of their worldly transgressions. By acting so, the Devil assuages his own guilt--the more damned souls, the less the guilt. (Very similar to the way in which homosexuals seek to force acceptance of their vice on the rest of society, and for the same reason.)

Of course one of his chief aims is to convince the sinner that God exists, because otherwise there is little guilt to act upon.

68 posted on 07/27/2017 5:53:13 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Vaquero
Sounds like the article writers couldn’t tell the difference of this either.

Even if Sheldon Cooper were a real theoretical physicist and this Dr. Kelly were a chemist or geologist or herpetologist, they would have no greater competence or expertise in interpreting the Bible and religious writings than you or I would.

69 posted on 07/27/2017 5:55:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: Biggirl

It doesn’t make any more sense after the coffee.


70 posted on 07/27/2017 5:57:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: ETL
Note the red communist star

Good eye!

71 posted on 07/27/2017 5:59:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: vannrox

This has been the goal of the pomo movement all along: erase any distinction between good and evil.

Couch this bullshyte in fancy scholastic language and publish it in some dry, unread academic tome and suddenly it becomes authoritative ... something more than a fevered lie.


72 posted on 07/27/2017 6:00:56 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: vannrox

what a waste of 39 years 51 weeks of this researchers”work” life and for those who support him. If he’d read the bible with an open mind not preconceived thoughts of his own, God would likely knock his socks off and get him spending his work time doing something much greater than he thinks he has been doing.


73 posted on 07/27/2017 6:02:22 AM PDT by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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To: vannrox

I think this sounds like a really hoaky attempt to get a special on the discovery channel. This is right inside their wheelhouse.

Follow the money.


74 posted on 07/27/2017 6:07:56 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: vannrox

There is lots of evidence for only One God in the universe, though absolutely none for the so-called Devil anywhere therein until human beings developed the capability of abstracting “him” from within their own minds.


75 posted on 07/27/2017 6:30:35 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: vannrox

Because I always trust my spiritual needs to scientists....


76 posted on 07/27/2017 6:32:21 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Climate Change: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives and the gravy train that never ends.)
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To: vannrox

...And this professor was able to get “research” funding for this meaningless dreck?


77 posted on 07/27/2017 6:59:23 AM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: P.O.E.

He’s got a backbone here in Virginia! Really good beer! Maybe he’s not such a bad guy after all! LoL!


78 posted on 07/27/2017 7:44:55 AM PDT by gr8eman (Facts and evidence are bourgeois constructs weaponized by patriarchal penis-people)
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To: deadrock

He says that like it’s a bad thing. Isn’t the elimination of pain the basis on which “ethicists” make all their solemn pronouncements such as abaortion being a good?


79 posted on 07/27/2017 7:47:49 AM PDT by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: Tax-chick

herpetologist? A snake scientist. How appropriate


80 posted on 07/27/2017 8:02:59 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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