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Christians were WRONG to brand Satan evil as scientist insists devil is good
Express ^ | PUBLISHED: 11:01, Sat, Jul 22, 2017 | UPDATED: 14:41, Sat, Jul 22, 2017 | Sean Martin

Posted on 07/27/2017 4:12:15 AM PDT by vannrox

The shock claim comes from a scientist who has spent more than 40 years researching the subject.

According to Henry Ansgar Kelly, a research professor from the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), there is actually “no evidence” to sugges the devil should be portrayed as evil.

Instead, Professor Kelly suggests Christians have got it wrong and Satan was actually trying to do good and is on God’s side, but got “overzealous” in his judgements.

He said: "There's little or no evidence in the Bible for most of the characteristics and deeds commonly attributed to Satan.

"A strict reading of the Bible shows Satan to be less like Darth Vader and more and more like an overzealous prosecutor.

"He's not so much the proud and angry figure who turns away from God as he is a Joseph McCarthy or J. Edgar Hoover.

“Satan's basic intention is to uncover wrongdoing and treachery, however overzealous and unscrupulous the means. But he's still part of God's administration."

The professor blames the misrepresentation of the devil at the feet of third century philosopher Origen of Alexandria.

In his best known work, ‘On First Things’, Origen argued that the mention of Lucifer in the Old Testament must refer to Satan, but Professor Kelly says there is no reference to ‘Satan’ or ‘the Devil’ in the Old Testament and followers of Christianity have simply confused the two.

Professor Kelly says "'Lucifer' is Latin for light-bearer”, and Lucifer in the Old Testament is actually a reference to a tyrannical Babylonian king who is “cast to the ground”, which is where the confusion begins.

He said: "Origen says, 'Lucifer is said to have fallen from Heaven. This can't refer to a human being, so it must refer to Satan.'

“Subsequent church fathers found this reasoning persuasive, and so did everyone who followed them."

More confusion comes from the story of Adam and Eve, says Professor Kelly, where once again, people have assumed that the serpent is the Devil.

He said: "Nobody in the Old Testament — or, for that matter, in the New Testament either — ever identifies the serpent of Eden with Satan.

"The serpent is just the smartest animal, and he's motivated by envy after being jilted by Adam for Eve.

"Everyone else has said that by the time Satan gets to the New Testament, he is evil, he's an enemy of God, but that's not so.

"The whole biblical picture of Satan is that of a bad cop to Yaweh's good cop in the Old Testament, and to Jesus' good cop in the New Testament. Throughout, Satan is someone who works for God."

Professor Kelly admitted: "What I'm saying will be scandalous to some people.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bble; democrat; denial; devil; evil; religiousleft; satan
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I think this is absolute nonsense.
1 posted on 07/27/2017 4:12:16 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox

I do like his food cake.


2 posted on 07/27/2017 4:13:59 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: vannrox

“a scientist who has spent more than 40 years researching the subject”

I’m going to guess he didn’t apply the scientific method to this “Satan” that can’t be examined - or even seen.


3 posted on 07/27/2017 4:14:09 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: vannrox
The shock claim comes from a scientist who has spent more than 40 years researching the subject.

He needs to keep on researching. One year's experience repeated 40 times does not produce a valid assertion.

Keep on studying!

4 posted on 07/27/2017 4:16:47 AM PDT by olezip
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To: vannrox
Henry Ansgar Kelly, a research professor from the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)

The very old gentleman is a "distinguished research professor of English," according to Wikipedia. He is offering a literary interpretation, which is, indeed, in keeping with his area of expertise. It is not shocking or scandalous: it is the same-old, same-old from people of his sort.

It's funny that the author and/or publisher of the article thought a professor of English was a "scientist."

5 posted on 07/27/2017 4:16:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: vannrox

How does he ignore the plain statements of Jesus? The man is insane.


6 posted on 07/27/2017 4:17:35 AM PDT by odawg
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To: vannrox

#FakeSatanicScience


7 posted on 07/27/2017 4:18:44 AM PDT by princeofdarkness (Leftists. Their only response to failure is to double down.)
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To: kearnyirish2; olezip

See my post #5: this professor’s “science” is English.


8 posted on 07/27/2017 4:19:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: vannrox

I would say the vast preponderance of ‘scientists’ do not believe in Satan.

This is a personal observation of scientists I have run across and not a scientific sampling.


9 posted on 07/27/2017 4:19:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: vannrox

As that great philosopher Bugs Bunny would say, “what a maroon”.


10 posted on 07/27/2017 4:20:41 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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To: Tax-chick

Very funny; soon he’ll be on the History Channel testifying that Sodom & Gomorrah were hit by meteors. Anything to distort the message...

Does he know the Bible wasn’t written in English?


11 posted on 07/27/2017 4:21:37 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: vannrox

Satan worship has historically been hidden, but now is coming out into the open. The only thing you have to keep in mind is that regardless of name, the Adversary uses lies and deception on virtually everyone he/she/it interacts with.


12 posted on 07/27/2017 4:21:50 AM PDT by Ronin (Blackface or bolt-ons, it's the same fraud. - Norm Lenhart)
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To: vannrox
Professor Kelly suggests Christians have got it wrong and Satan was actually trying to do good and is on God’s side, but got “overzealous” in his judgements.

He think s he is smarter than he is, also forgrtting that the chief sin is pride.

Philosophically, the devil has many "goods". He is intelligent and he has powers. These in and of themselves are good. Evil is not a thing, but the lack of something that should be present. Hatred of God and contempt of Man are evils. Since the devil has decided to embrace this hatred and act accordingly, he can be said to have embraced evil. The ultimate under-achiever.

As far as Satan "trying to do good", that is true of EVERY bad action. We pursue a lesser good (e.g. justifying stealing in order to buy a nice thing, with the nice thing not being evil in itself nor the proper use of it).


13 posted on 07/27/2017 4:22:36 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Tax-chick

English is many things. It can be used to describe scientific treatises. It is not, in itself, a science


14 posted on 07/27/2017 4:24:55 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: vannrox

John 10:10

“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”


15 posted on 07/27/2017 4:29:20 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Ronin; All

Check out this ceremony for CERN - an attempt to open a portal to another dimension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZAQNo9bXwI

Scientific experiment?


16 posted on 07/27/2017 4:29:37 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Vaquero

You understand that, and I understand that. However, the people behind this article obviously saw “Research Professor” and visualized Dr. Sheldon Cooper rather than a lit-crit dinosaur.


17 posted on 07/27/2017 4:31:14 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: kearnyirish2
Does he know the Bible wasn’t written in English?

Just like Jesus talked!

18 posted on 07/27/2017 4:32:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: vannrox
What was his name again? Augustus Frost?

Ouroborindra ba-ba-he!

19 posted on 07/27/2017 4:32:46 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: vannrox
The premise is not new.

"Accordingly, I know of no greater absurdity than that of most metaphysical systems which declare evil to be something negative; whereas it is precisely that which is positive and makes itself felt. On the other hand, that which is good, in other words, all happiness and satisfaction, is negative, that is, the mere elimination of a desire and the ending of a pain." Arthur Schopenhauer

20 posted on 07/27/2017 4:34:04 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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