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1 posted on 05/02/2017 1:25:43 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Have you ever seen a better example of a self-fulfilling prophesy - on both viewpoints?


2 posted on 05/02/2017 1:27:46 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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Yes. Republicans learn how to succeed fromn watching successful people.

Democrats sit around and are envious of them.

Of course, the UBER rich like Gates, Bloomberg, Soros, Buffett, etc, are a little different.


3 posted on 05/02/2017 1:27:57 PM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! HE KILLED OBAMACARE REPEAL AND WILL KILL TAX REFORM!!)
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What are the Clinton’s worth now? How about the Bush’s? Seems odd, those in Congress come out wealthy regardless of party, while the rest of America was sent into decades of decline debt and death.

Their views are all the same. They get wealthy, while Middle America eats s***.

So there ya have it.


4 posted on 05/02/2017 1:30:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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I can’t argue with this. It really is one of the fundamental philosophical differences between conservatives and liberals: Can you control your destiny, or not? I personally am glad I am not of of those drifting through life waiting for the next thing to happen.


5 posted on 05/02/2017 1:33:12 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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Consistent hard work.

OF course some people are born into it. Lots of rich kids don’t do as well because they don’t push hard. Trust fund babies.

And of course some people are born into families that are poor.

But the individual has the most influence over their own circumstances, in a large number (not all) of ways that have direct impacts on their own lives.

You cannot motivate people to have inner drive. You can try. Suggest, explain, demostrate, plead, frighten, warn, chastise, incentivize. But you cannot just make them have it. They have to internally want it.

If they dont want to study/learn/train and better themselves and make themselves useful to people to ensure they are a desirable and wanted person other people in society see value in and will reward for that value, that is their personal decision nad the responsibility rests on them.

And if you say these people never had anyone telling them they are good or can do stuff, so what. PLenty of folks do well without cheerleaders, and in fact did well in spite of people telling them they’d NEVER do or amount to anything. I agree a good environmnet where people push and also give support is great, but if you don’t have it - and no one has a perfect one anyway - that doesn’t absolve a person from not trying because people still make it from these situations. They learn the lesson they can do it despite no one thinking they can. Huge good lesson.


6 posted on 05/02/2017 1:35:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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When talking circumstances, personal habits, character and poverty with leftists, I always ask - is the Dalai Lama in poverty? Should he be on welfare?

He was born in a mud hut, and has never had any possessions whatsoever, except his robes and his sandals. He’s as poor as it gets.

They answer, “well, no, but...”


8 posted on 05/02/2017 1:37:11 PM PDT by PGR88
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Just today I came across the mention of someone on Twitter named "Godfrey Elfwick".I did a bit (but not a lot) of research and found evidence to suggest that he might just be a spoof...but I can't be at all sure.It seems distinctly possible that he's real.

In my research I found this.If it's real (rather than a joke) we're in bigger trouble than I thought (and I'm the Eternal Pessimist).


9 posted on 05/02/2017 1:39:23 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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Republicans say people are rich – and poor – because of their own efforts; Democrats more likely to point to a person's circumstances and advantages

Big surprise. You get rich through being lucky! Well, according to dems and women.

10 posted on 05/02/2017 1:44:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Civil Rights movement compared content of their character to skin color and chose the latter)
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I would say it is a bit of both.


12 posted on 05/02/2017 1:50:56 PM PDT by expat2
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Poor people have poor ways. Politics seldom enter into the equation.

Except that many poor people vote democrat only to ensure they stay on the poor plantation.


14 posted on 05/02/2017 2:01:56 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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If the Vietnamese boat people can come here largely broke and not knowing the language or culture, then become successful within a generation or so, anyone can do it.

A great many poor people simply don’t have the drive, the discipline and the willingness to make the sacrifices necessary to get on the path to long-term success. Some have a longer road than others, but all can get there if they truly want it and are willing to work hard for it.

Or one can wait until a successful republican dies and then marry his widow, but not everyone can be John Kerry.


15 posted on 05/02/2017 2:06:21 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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I actually disagree with both sides.

To me... most poor people are not poor because they “dont work hard enough”. Actually just the opposite is true, most people people (that work) actually work MUCH harder jobs.

The difference is... how they SPEND and SAVE, and how hard they WORKED in school.

No matter how much money you make... if you dont know how to spend your money responsibly and save... you will ALWAYS be broke.

If you don’t work hard in school ... you will spend the rest of your life working HARDER in your job.


16 posted on 05/02/2017 2:18:16 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Make America Great Again !)
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Poor democrats & liberals. Always blaming their failures on “circumstances”.

I created my own circumstances. Paid my own way through college, while working full-time on a commission sales job.

Interviewed like crazy and worked all sorts of weird jobs before I found my niche and now I’m living the “dream” so to speak.

If I would have their loser mentality, I’d still be putting produce out for Sam’s club.

Your limits are only limited by YOU!


17 posted on 05/02/2017 2:32:17 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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It has always been obvious.

Being responsible puts you on the path to be rich. Far more conservatives are responsible and believe in being self sufficient.

Being irresponsible puts you on the path to be poor. Far more commie liberals are irresponsible and believe in owed entitlements.

Life is hard. It is harder when you are stupid.


21 posted on 05/02/2017 2:57:41 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Trump: What to do now I can't repeal Obamacare? I know, lets start a war with Russia!)
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financial arithmetic:

first, come up with a new or better product or method of production, or predict changes in demand that provide a higher rate of profit than average.

next, reinvest that profit as much as possible rather than consuming it.

then, do that over and over for a long time

22 posted on 05/02/2017 3:04:21 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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I was once accused of being “advantaged”, to which I replied:

“My brother killed himself, my sister can’t support herself, and I was disowned for 30 years. If that’s ‘advantaged’, I could do with a lot less of it.”


25 posted on 05/02/2017 4:17:52 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The Washington Post is Jeff Bezos' Fake News unregulated SuperPAC.)
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Parental attitude is a huge factor. When a child aspires to go to college and the parents response is, “what? you think you’re better than we are?”, I’m surprised the kid ever wanted to go in the first place (I’ve literally heard this said).

Parents can incentivize learning. How often does the child of two doctors grow up to be a doctor? Very often. Is it a product of good genetics or expectations? ...bit of both? The brain behaves like a muscle, the more it is exercised the more it can do.

When my son graduated from college everyone was a bit surprised by his lack of enthusiasm, as though he’d not really accomplished something. His answer was, “well, my dad has been telling me since I was two feet tall that I was going to get a college degree, it was always expected”. Of course, I felt a little bad....but not really!! :p

I just believe that a constant emphasis on the importance of an education is the trick, it must be ongoing. It’s a shame so many grow up having parents that aren’t concerned at all about it, basically kick their kids off to school because it’s free babysitting, not caring if they actually learned anything.


27 posted on 05/02/2017 4:31:25 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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You make your own luck and riches have many measures. Good family is one lost on many these days.


28 posted on 05/02/2017 5:36:08 PM PDT by Recompennation
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Most Republicans link a person’s financial standing to their own hard work – or the lack of it. Most Democrats say that whether someone is rich or poor is more attributable to circumstances beyond their control.


It may be the Reverse if you worked for your money you become a Rep....if you fell in to your money.. you become a Dem


29 posted on 05/02/2017 8:55:46 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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