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Getting dragged down into the unconstitutional socialized healthcare quagmire is insanity!

Posted on 03/30/2017 10:30:54 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Bad move by Trump. Ryan and the globalist big government GOPe RINOs are the problem not the Freedom Caucus. Trump is supposed to be draining the swamp by now, not swimming in it.

Put the interest of American citizens first! Freedom not socialism and tyranny!!

Good grief! Dump Obamacare already! Should have been done on day one and we’d be way on down the road to draining the swamp by now!

We the people have been demanding a full repeal for seven long years and that's the position Trump took with his original health care goal at the beginning of the campaign. What he's doing now is madness and it's quickly destroying any chance of party unity and therefore destroying his chances of accomplishing the rest of hs agenda.

Someone screwed the pooch, BIGLY!

And someone needs to get it back on track, pronto!

This is NOT the decisive action of George S. Patton. It’s the confused inaction of George B. “Little Mac” McClellan!

Where is our U.S. Grant?

Get it together guys or we lose the war.


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To: Jim Robinson

Socialism Sucks


61 posted on 03/30/2017 11:09:12 AM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I reluctantly post this Pastor Chuck Baldwin rant and fully expect to catch unholy hell from fellow Trump supporters (of which I am still one). You will find it at the link at the very bottom.

There are a number of Chuck’s comments with which I take issue — SERIOUS issue (one being Israel v. Zionism) — BUT much of what he writes squares with points I attempted to make in the 7 minute video I produced over 7 years ago here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkyEtw8lBtI

And, of course, there is the MAJOR ISSUE that the dissembling, divisive criminal Hillary Clinton would have been much, much worse.

As is true of ALL elections, 2016 was a choice between two flawed human beings by equally flawed human voters who had grown weary and angry about the country’s slide into the abyss. Trump, who was not just another Beltway insider and had no track record, won the day.
It MAY be too early to know just where Mr. Trump is taking us, but I BEG you to read this piece with an open mind so that you can be alert to further signs that Baldwin MAY be right.

And, of course, there’s the distinct possibility that the world has become so screwed up by the Deep State apparatchiks, intelligence “spooks” and Globalists that NOTHING can be done to right our course. As I reread that, a small tear came forth for my children, grand children and great grand children. Consider cremation as they might dig many of us just to spit in our faces for the mess we left behind!

Now, it’s off to my underground bunker to brace for what I anticipate will be a firestorm of incoming! (Some of it, sadly, from otherwise good folks who detest the current PC goal of shutting down dissenting viewpoints.)

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/…/This-Is-Not-Going-To-End-Well…;


62 posted on 03/30/2017 11:09:14 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (THE 4TH ESTATE HERE HAS BECOME A 5TH COLUMN. DIDN'T WE IMPRISON TOKYO ROSE???)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you sir. We hope the President gets right on this issue and pushes actual conservative reform despite Ryan. Right now, he is morphing into the swamp we all wanted to see him drain.


63 posted on 03/30/2017 11:09:24 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: mountainlion

That’s exactly right. CommieCare is, I forget how many feet high, when stacked up in one pile. There are all kinds of “hooks” in it, for various groups to get something out it, but the taxpayer still bears the burden for them all. The rats knew what they doing at least on a political level-to make this thing so messy, that even people who opposed it from the start, would become enmeshed in some way-ie, pre-existing conditions. Or for the congressional lawmakers, whatever kickbacks and favors, etc, they’d get from the various interests involved in this. It’s a monstrosity, as intended. to think that Pelosi didn’t want anyone to read it-I’d wager there were quite a few congresscritters who never could have read, or understood, the whole thing, all they needed to know was what was in it for them.


64 posted on 03/30/2017 11:09:50 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agree 100% Jim! Thanks!

President Trump, in order to Make America Great Again, we MUST Make Government Constitutional Again!

President Trump, Make Government Constitutional Again!

MGCA 2 MAGA!


65 posted on 03/30/2017 11:10:05 AM PDT by cpforlife.org ( President Trump, Make Government Constitutional Again! MGCA 2 MAGA!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I want to add a small factoid for the record here. There was no vote. Freedom caucus didn’t kill the bill. Trump killed his crappy bill in part because the Tuesday group of rinos thought it too conservatives!! We have no vote to show anything here. Trump KILLED THIS HORRIBLE BILL himself at his orders!! First he said “VOTE NOW”!! Then he stopped it. It was really ham handed!! I see Rinse Penis all over this. Trump better wake up and quit biting the hand that fed him. He has NO ONE to blame but himself!! FREE MARKETS OR NOTHING!!


66 posted on 03/30/2017 11:11:23 AM PDT by WENDLE (The key is criminal prosecution of sanctuary city officials-- BIG TIME.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I believe that we need to take charge of the debate—to the extent possible;—and recognize the interests that effectively neuter Republican “moderates.” But recognize them in a way that still puts forward our commitment to follow up an initial repeal of Obamacare, with a firm resolve to continue to pry what parts of the Federal bureaucracy’s meddling in civilian health care, are not repealed, off of the physician patient relationship, step by step.


67 posted on 03/30/2017 11:11:36 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Jim Robinson

Mo Brooks is right!


68 posted on 03/30/2017 11:12:02 AM PDT by drewh (>>)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe; Jim Robinson

[Trump is getting bad advice from not only Priebus, but I think Ivanka and Kushner.]

PRESIDENT TRUMP needs to make a list of his campaign promises, call a meeting with his ‘advisors’, and tell them:

“This is my agenda. You weren’t elected. I was. Now get to work and do the will of WE THE PEOPLE.”


69 posted on 03/30/2017 11:12:24 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: TheNext

What would Harry Reid do?


70 posted on 03/30/2017 11:12:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

But isn’t that, at this point, merely a matter of non-enforcement, no legal procedure has repealed it (the mandate)? Which means that if CommieCare continues to stand, the very next rat President could re-enforce it?


71 posted on 03/30/2017 11:13:03 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

I am hearing from others here that the Freedom Caucus can’ be held responsible for anything, especially for their unanimous votes FOR RYAN, so holding them responsible for kicking Ryan out is also not apparently possible.


72 posted on 03/30/2017 11:13:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Jim Robinson; sargon

There was only one amendment allowed on the bill. It was procedural. So, if the goal posts were moved it wasn’t in the bill because the bill never changed.

In other words, since there were no amendments of substance to the bill, then what the FC was asking for could NOT have been in the bill.


73 posted on 03/30/2017 11:13:54 AM PDT by Lakewood
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Thanks for posting that link. So if he thought Romney lost the election in 2012 because republicans were to hard on illegals, I wonder what he thinks about Trump winning with his views on immigration? And people are pointing to this guy as a hero for leaving the freedom caucus because they didn’t want Ryancare?


74 posted on 03/30/2017 11:14:10 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: mrsmel
If the mandate were eliminated, wouldn’t the whole thing self-destruct?

The mandate has been eliminated by EO, and Obamacare will consequently self-destruct, for that and other reasons.

President Trump has done what he can via EO, and I presume HHS Secretary Price will be doing the same with his powers.

The HFC cannot produce a bill that the whole House will pass, anymore than Paul Ryan can, apparently.

So we're stuck, and Congress will be seen as a "do nothing" legislature, and the GOP will get hammred in the 2018 midterms, and that'll be the end of anything constructive getting passed.

But, hey, at least some of the HFC might still be there to keep moving the goalposts around the field while the ball is still in the air. That is the testimony of one of its own former members.

How is that any different from Lucy snatching the ball? Is moving the goalposts somehow more principled?

75 posted on 03/30/2017 11:14:34 AM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: ConservativeMind

Wrong!

Boehner elected Ryan. Ryan is Unelected.

Boeher CANCELLED the initial Speaker vote, then pulled in Ryan as his replacement. Powerful foreign money selects your strawmen.

Ryan will also cancel Speaker votes until he is replaced with another Rino.


76 posted on 03/30/2017 11:15:11 AM PDT by TheNext (60% Vote KKK Rule, a fake by Byrd Grand Wizard)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Exactly. I thought this board as a big part of supporting Dave Brat over the failed majority leader. Now it seems many are turning on him. We have the return of a dangerous cult of personality around Trump. The man is not god and is not infallible. We should treat him as such. He has made poor decisions through this process. Most Miley due to bad advice and a poor timed attempt to build a relationship with Ryan. He needs to get right quick. At this moment, I do not feel good about that. He’s doubled down going after conservatives. That a deal breaker. He is on thin ice with me at this a point.


77 posted on 03/30/2017 11:15:23 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Jim Robinson

Exactly.

Repeal and allow the free market to be the “replacement.”


78 posted on 03/30/2017 11:15:27 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Jim Robinson

It is good to be supportive of President Trump, as you have been.

It is also good to hold him accountable to his promises to repeal Obamacare, to call him out when he seems to be waffling, as you are doing here.


79 posted on 03/30/2017 11:16:42 AM PDT by Theo (FReeping since 1998 ... drain the swamp.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Lol, period.


80 posted on 03/30/2017 11:17:30 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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