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Am I way off base regarding federalized health care or insurance plans being unconstitutional?

Posted on 03/17/2017 12:40:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I don't see power over health care or insurance or anything like that being delegated to the federal government anywhere in the constitution, so it is reserved to the states and the people per the tenth amendment. The federal government cannot dictate who or what must be covered or at what price or any other terms or requirements for private health care insurance or coverage.

And, Robert's ruling notwithstanding, it is not a tax and no part of it is a tax.

Please tell me if I'm being overly naive and or where I'm wrong.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; ahca; constitution; healthcare; jimrob; obamacare; rinocare; ryancare; scotus; trumphealthcare
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1 posted on 03/17/2017 12:40:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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No, but they always fall back on the Commerce Clause as their reason for everything......


2 posted on 03/17/2017 12:41:57 PM PDT by Red Badger (Ending a sentence with a preposition is nothing to be afraid of........)
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The only way to argue that it’s constitutional is to pretend it’s a tax. Even the Obama Administration admitted it wasn’t a tax, no matter what Roberts twisted the words to claim. The whole thing needs to be tossed out as unconstitutional, or tossed out as a harmful law, or just tossed out with an entire government that no longer listens to the people (except for the NSA, which is always listening!).


3 posted on 03/17/2017 12:42:50 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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I agree, but it’s water under the bridge. There are a ton of things the federal government does that aren’t delegated powers.


4 posted on 03/17/2017 12:43:56 PM PDT by mlo
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“A mandate requiring all individuals to purchase health insurance would be an unprecedented form of federal action. The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States. An individual mandate would have two features that, in combination, would make it unique. First, it would impose a duty on individuals as members of society. Second, it would require people to purchase a specific service that would be heavily regulated by the federal government.”

—Heritage Foundation

http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/report/why-the-personal-mandate-buy-health-insurance-unprecedented-and


5 posted on 03/17/2017 12:44:47 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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Everything is whatever they say it is. The law is now subject to interpretation. Doesn’t make you wrong. Its more like heads i win tails you lose.


6 posted on 03/17/2017 12:45:26 PM PDT by wiggen (#JeSuisCharlie)
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To: mlo

There are a ton of things the federal government does that aren’t delegated powers.


Like the IRS...


7 posted on 03/17/2017 12:45:28 PM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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No, you are correct.
The most insidious part of Obamacare is the power gathered to Fedzilla by all the agencies created to facilitate it.
And the control of all medical records.
Repeal means taking power away from Fedzilla, something the Uniparty eunuchs will never do.


8 posted on 03/17/2017 12:45:36 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: mlo

It’s not water under the bridge. They haven’t voted on it yet.


9 posted on 03/17/2017 12:45:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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Totally unconstitutional. And health care is not interstate commerce (although it would be constitutional to strike down state laws barring buying insurance out-of-state - and that probably ought to be done).
10 posted on 03/17/2017 12:45:49 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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We let this start when we allowed for mandatory liability insurance on vehicles.

While a good idea on its face.. not so great in overall application.

Nor in setting precedent.


11 posted on 03/17/2017 12:45:51 PM PDT by humblegunner
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Which is why one good conservative Supreme Court pick could Repeal FederalCare.


12 posted on 03/17/2017 12:46:13 PM PDT by TheNext (REPEAL Slavery AND REPLACE with Slavery - Not!)
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You’re mostly right. The federal government probably has a constitutional role in regulating interstate commerce. This would be a relatively important function if people are allowed to purchase insurance across state lines.


13 posted on 03/17/2017 12:46:47 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking)
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Not at all off base! It’s completely unconstitutional for fedgov to provide health care, order persons to contract with an insurance company, control insurance company products and pricing... on and on and on!


14 posted on 03/17/2017 12:47:03 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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Article V


15 posted on 03/17/2017 12:47:56 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: humblegunner

Isn’t that mandate at the state level?


16 posted on 03/17/2017 12:47:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Roberts was wrong. The whole thing is unconstitutional.


17 posted on 03/17/2017 12:48:00 PM PDT by zot
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To: Jim Robinson

You are correct and it should re-visited by a Constitutionally minded Supreme Court. We don’t really have that now.


18 posted on 03/17/2017 12:48:43 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Constitution is a “living document” remember?

It can mean whatever the hell leftist/fascist, social-engineering politicians with nice-sounding slogans says it means

/s


19 posted on 03/17/2017 12:48:46 PM PDT by PGR88 (The)
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To: mlo; Jim Robinson
I agree, but it’s water under the bridge. There are a ton of things the federal government does that aren’t delegated powers.

If we keep electing presidents and congressmen who support originalist Supreme Court nominees, that water will flow in the opposite direction.

20 posted on 03/17/2017 12:49:12 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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