Egyptair Flight 804 Crash: Assume Terrorism Until Conclusively Proven Otherwise

Frontpagemag.com ^ | May 23,2016 | Joseph Klein

[Biggirl]

Investigators are holding back from drawing any definitive conclusions as to the cause of the crash of EgyptAir Flight 804 last Thursday during a flight from Paris to Cairo, pending retrieval of flight recorders and further examination of the wreckage. However, terrorism is suspected as the most likely cause.

[Travis McGee]

[Biggirl]

....Yet it it is one DJT who has pretty much started the tearing down of the “PC” nonsense.

[JLAGRAYFOX]

Airbus Industries, the American, Egyptian & French governments know exactly what caused the crash of the Egypt Air Airbus A320 aircraft. Direct information from the aircraft’s “ACARS” information system point to an explosion in the cockpit or foward left hand lavatory with resulting failure of the computor system that cpontrols the flight of the aircraft.

The smoke in the the cockpit/lavatroy & window heat failures points to the blow out of a sliding window in the cockpit and the destruction of the below cockpit E&E electrical, Avionics and flight control computor systems. Either someone got into the cocpit and set off the bomb device or, more likely the pilot or co-pilot or, both them set of the fatal terrorist device!!!

The reason no one has claimed credit for this massacre of innocents is because, this incident is most likely the terrorist handiwork of the Obama/Clinton beloved, Muslim Brotherhood/ISIS. End of story!!!

Go Donald J. Trump!!! America and the entire world needs you as the one true leader of the free world!!! Americans, wake up!!! The tru enemy is inside the gates of the USA....Obama, Clinton, the entire Democrat Party!!!

[randita]

It does seem strange that no one has claimed credit, but that could be a new MO. Keep ‘em guessing.

[TTFlyer]

There was a plane crash? What plane crash?

Our Dear Leader is in Viet Nam today! Now THAT’S news!

[mikey_hates_everything]

Cue up Susan Rice to blame it on a YouTube video.

[Travis McGee]

Indeed. Imagine Stephen Coughlin and Bill Warner giving the lessons again at the FBI, CIA, Pentagon etc again.

Instead of CAIR.

[MRadtke]

Perhaps they want to protect some of their assets.

[jsanders2001]

They could find a Quran in the cockpit with orders from OSIS leaders to destroy the plane and Obama, Hillary and Patreus would still say its a mechanical malfunction (yeah caused by two people grabbing the steering; one trying to crash the plane and the other trying to save everyone on board).

[grania]

It's like with the flight that went down in Long Island Sound. The worst kind of terrorism is when no one takes credit or it can't be determined what the cause is. It's much easier to rally around and solve the problem when it's known what the problem is.

For those reasons, it only makes sense to assume terrorism unless it's proven that it isn't. It keeps everyone focused on the primary problem civilization faces.

[Sacajaweau]

I believe you’re right. When was their big leader killed? Any correlation?

[Spktyr]

Ummm... no, the codes do not indicate a blowout of the window. Not at all - a window blowout would have been accompanied by a long list of pressurization loss error codes and it wasn’t. I posted this in one of the other threads:

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Doesn’t work with the ACARS reporting timeline - fire was first detected inside the bulkhead under/around the right front windows. Check the timeline (I’ve annotated it):

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW - right forward cockpit window anti-ice sensor has detected elevated temperatures when the computer wasn’t expecting to see them.
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR - right side cockpit window sensor has detected elevated temperatures when the computer was not expecting to see them.
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE - Smoke detected in the lavatory. The front lav on an A320 is one the *left* side of the aircraft. It shares the back wall of the cockpit on the left side.
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE - Smoke detected in the avionics bay which IIRC is under the floor of the cockpit.
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR - right side cockpit window sensor has detected elevated temperatures when the computer was not expecting to see them.
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT - Autopilot module 2 has failed, probably due to fire given prior messages.
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT - Part of main flight controls has failed, probably due to fire given prior messages.

This reads like an underfloor fire.

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Note the time between the codes - three *minutes* between first heat alarm and loss of one of the flight control systems. There are no in-cockpit codes, so this fire was not actually in the cockpit. The smoke was wafting its way up from the bottom of the fuselage and getting out by any way it could - first through the lavatory plumbing and electrical passthroughs then getting into the avionics bay after the (presumed) fire had breached its containment.

This does *not* rule out terrorism, but it does rule out in-flight participation by anyone on board. The areas where an incendiary could cause these areas and no others are *not* accessible in flight. Nor is the forward baggage compartment far enough forward for a device in the luggage to be the likely cause. If it was terrorism, it was an incendiary placed in the nose or in the fuselage under the cockpit area by someone on the ground. It is, however, more likely that this is another SwissAir Flight 111 incident where faulty electronics or wiring caused a fire. Remember, this is a FRENCH built plane.

[Travis McGee]

They won’t claim credit until their overall campaign ends or is exposed.

If they have a dozen more soda cans being passed from hand to hand to baggage handler.....

They will just let them go off, and not provide clues that could end the program prematurely.

Worst case, they have sent people into Europe who can both make TATP and pack it into soda cans. I would assume that this is the case. Mosul University had full chemistry and engineering labs, and they were training jihadists to take their knowledge on the road.

[Biggirl]

I do believe that post #5 is correct. Leave everyone guessing because folks from DJT from you and me KNOW what really went on.

[Spktyr]

See post 13, please. If this is terrorism (and I’m certainly not ruling it out!) this isn’t garden variety terrorism. Can pretty much rule out the classic bomb in luggage/shoes/underwear/can of soda. ACARS was phoning home, in realtime, events that happened to that plane.

[Travis McGee]

This is Whalid Shoebat’s take. He’s ex-Muslim ex-PLO I believe.

Everything You Need To Know About The Muslim Kamikaze EgyptAir’s Flight 804 Pilot And Why He Drowned The Plane In The Sea

http://shoebat.com/2016/05/22/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-muslim-kamikaze-egyptairs-flight-804-pilot-and-why-he-drowned-the-plane-in-the-sea/

I think an incendiary device in the cockpit could meet all of the forensic comparisons based on what we know today. A non-metallic bundle of road flares, for example. Either in the forward cockpit lav or in the cockpit itself.

[central_va]

Either it’s terrorism or AirBus built planes just fall out of the sky in a ball of fire. Either way a huge story.

[Spktyr]

Flares in the lav would have the lav smoke code coming first, not the cockpit window heat alarms. In the cockpit would have the multiple cockpit smoke sensors (several of which are deliberately *not* accessible by the crew in flight) sending error codes first.

Neither of these cases fits the ACARS code timeline. The heat sensors go off on *the other side of the plane* from the lav prior to the lav smoke alarm - significantly before. Likewise, none of the cockpit or cabin smoke sensors set off alarms - and they’re set pretty sensitive. Old line captains that still smoke and ignore rules against smoking find that lighting a *match* in the cockpit sets off the ACARS message ‘COCKPIT SMOKE’. They don’t even get to light their cigar.

[ml/nj]

Last ATC communication was the handoff to the next controller in line just like with the Malaysian plane that disappeared. Since the time when one is between controllers (at least judging from my experience in the US) is less than a percent of the time a plane is actually in the air, I'd guess these were planned events.

ML/NJ