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Former CIA Chief Says Military Could Defy Donald Trump's Orders
WSJ ^ | Feb 27, 2016 | Damian Paletta

Posted on 02/27/2016 7:16:59 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Former CIA Chief Says Military Could Defy Donald Trump’s Orders

By Damian Paletta

Feb 27, 2016 4:53 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Retired Gen. Michael Hayden, who recently led the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency, said the U.S. military would likely refuse to follow certain orders from Donald Trump if he is elected to the White House in November and follows through on campaign promises.

"I would be incredibly concerned if a President Trump governed in a way that was consistent with the language that Candidate Trump expressed during the campaign," Gen. Hayden said during an interview will Bill Maher on Friday.

Mr. Trump, the frontrunner in the GOP primary, has vowed to use torture techniques against suspected terrorists if he wins the White House, going beyond waterboarding and doing things he described as a "hell of a lot worse."

He has also suggested he would order U.S. forces to kill the family members of terrorists, a charge that some have alleged would be in violation of the Geneva Convention.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; antitrump; billmaher; election2016; hayden; michaelhayden; newyork; nsa; trump
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Former CIA Chief Says Military Could Defy Donald Trump's Orders"

After lapping up a mile of 0Muslim's spittle?

Pull the other one...

61 posted on 02/27/2016 7:47:47 PM PST by kiryandil ("Our Muslim-In-Chief, Barack Obama - the Quislaming in the White House")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Really - then why isn’t Hayden allowing for the military to not enforce OBAMA’s illegal orders ?????????

Good grief.

The President (any President) is still the Commander in Chief. How do you get around that?


62 posted on 02/27/2016 7:48:05 PM PST by CyberAnt ("Peace Through Strength")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

With this statement, this man utterly condemns the entire US military for obeying ANY of Obama’s orders. A command that is not lawful for a POTUS to give is NOT a lawful order - that’s what this guy is saying. That means that the buck stops at the Joint Chiefs. When THEY obeyed any order that an ineligible POTUS gave, it was THEY who disobeyed the law.

IOW, at this point the law REQUIRES them to disobey Obama’s commands. We have no lawful Commander in Chief, and the head of the DOD has the DUTY of defending this nation, against the wishes of Barack Obama.


63 posted on 02/27/2016 7:48:55 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: CA Conservative

We have someone advocating for the military to ignore orders and you care about what Trump voters will say?

Stunning.


64 posted on 02/27/2016 7:51:00 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 43north

He’s right, but it’s not that big of a deal.

The military, the CIA, and any part of the government, and anyone we hire or deal with, are now restricted from using any techniques not in the U.S. Army interrogation manual.

This is because the National Defense Authorization Act of 2016 that Congress passed last fall now makes that illegal. It doesn’t matter whether or not the CIA’s method of waterboarding is torture. It’s not in the manual, and now it’s illegal.

But I said it doesn’t matter. The next Congress can pass another law to make it possible. They’ll do it when they think it’s in their interest.

Democrats lied when they said they opposed waterboarding, and they can flip the other way. It just takes the right circumstances, and the right kinds of excuses.

Once that happens, someone in the CIA and military will do it. It’ll take a President who has their back.


65 posted on 02/27/2016 7:52:30 PM PST by HarborSentry
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Perfumed Prince. A REMF? I didn’t see any combat experience. Just spookwerk.


66 posted on 02/27/2016 7:52:58 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Cruz/Palin2016)
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To: JediJones

War is the ultimate extreme and when you partake in it, you partake in extremism. In WW2 we killed entire families by the thousands, in entire cities in Dresden and Tokyo, burning them to death.

If Trump tells the terrs that he will destroy their cities,I am ok with it.


67 posted on 02/27/2016 7:52:59 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

For God sake.

Get help.


68 posted on 02/27/2016 7:54:41 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

This guy is saying these would not be lawful orders because even the POTUS can’t disobey the Geneva Convention, etc. Which is what he’s saying Trump’s talk now comes down to.

Of course, there was no talk of any of that when Obama was involved.

Is it against the Geneva Convention for a nation to invite to a memorial an imam who curses the bodies of your military heroes?


69 posted on 02/27/2016 7:55:39 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: CA Conservative

Let’s see how the Trumpkins react to this one...


Far more interesting to see how a Cruz supporter such as yourself reacts...From your post, it would seem to appear that you are all in with Obama and his former CIA/NSA chief. Trust Hayden, a pillar of non-controversy, we must LOL!

Oh and he worked for dear leader, the president we have all come to regard as a true Constitutionalist...You know he taught the Constitution at UC LOL

Great sourcing too—the GOPe open borders WSJ is writing about an interview Hayden had with unbiased media heavy-weight Bill Mahr...Nice company to keep dontcha think?


70 posted on 02/27/2016 8:01:00 PM PST by Freedom56v2 (I stand with Sheriff Joe, Phyllis Schlafly, Jerry Falwell Jr, Sarah Palin, Pat Robertson, Willie :))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

people who refuse to follow orders can and will be fired and then replaced with people who will follow orders and there are plenty of people who will follow orders.


71 posted on 02/27/2016 8:02:06 PM PST by RC one (I will vote for the Republican nominee period. end of story.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Gen. Hayden said during an interview will Bill Maher on Friday.

Stopped reading right there.

72 posted on 02/27/2016 8:02:12 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A coup! How fun. Hayden always was a turd. Never had a problem following illegal orders for domestic spying, illegal for the NSA.
FU Hayden.


73 posted on 02/27/2016 8:03:03 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble mined asses overthrown,,,")
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To: CA Conservative
WTF

But the military and CIA have no problem with Obama and Hillary? Are you kidding me? So the Military has no problem with Benghazi? Iraq?

This country sucks!

74 posted on 02/27/2016 8:03:21 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: mkjessup

Your graphic is too funny.

Well done !!

Funeral Home and Gravestone Services was a nice touch.


75 posted on 02/27/2016 8:03:26 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The stink of desperation from the elites is strong


76 posted on 02/27/2016 8:03:27 PM PST by Third Person (Andmoreagain)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If Trump is elected he should recall this POS to active duty and make him commander of a military office in a remote corner of Greenland.


77 posted on 02/27/2016 8:04:37 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble mined asses overthrown,,,")
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To: butterdezillion

Last I looked we are not signatory to the Geneva Conventions. Other treaties may apply perhaps.

I think what Hayden is saying is “The CIA/FBI are used to Obamas restrictions and will resist change for fear of being charged with crimes later on.”

I think what Trump is saying here is “there are a lot of options that push the boundaries but are legal”


78 posted on 02/27/2016 8:06:06 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (We need a separation of press and state!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"He has also suggested he would order U.S. forces to kill the family members of terrorists, a charge that some have alleged would be in violation of the Geneva Convention."

The man is ridiculous.
ISIS is not a signatory to the Geneva Convention.
The Geneva Convention rules were created by basically civilized, white European nations, for when their disagreements turned into warfare. No they didn't always stick by those rules but for the most part those warring nations did did follow the rules of warfare they created for themselves, i.e. treating prisoners humanely, etc.

ISIS is not civilized and is not a legitimate government that is represents anybody. Their cruel, bizarre, vicious behavior towards anybody who isn't them precludes them from any of the protections provided by the Geneva Convention rules of warfare.

79 posted on 02/27/2016 8:07:59 PM PST by StormEye
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To: TigerLikesRooster

i doubt it.


80 posted on 02/27/2016 8:08:27 PM PST by SoFloFreeper (I am undecided between Carson, Cruz, Rubio & Trump...)
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