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"I Guess It's Food Stamps": 400,000 Jeopardized As Giant State Pension Fund Plans 50% Benefit Cuts
Zero Hedge ^ | 02/19/2016 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 02/19/2016 7:27:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Dale Dorsey isn't happy.

After working 33 years, he's facing a 55% cut to his pension benefits, a blow which he says will "cripple" his family and imperil the livelihood of his two children, one of whom is in the fourth grade and one of whom is just entering high school.

Dorsey attended a town hall meeting in Kansas City on Tuesday where retirees turned out for a discussion on "massive" pension cuts proposed by the Central States Pension Fund, which covers 400,000 participants, and which will almost certainly go broke within the next decade.

"A controversial 2014 law allowed the pension to propose [deep] cuts, many of them by half or more, as a way to perhaps save the fund," The Kansas City Star wrote earlier this week adding that "two much smaller pensions also have sought similar relief under the law, and still more pensions are significantly underfunded."

"What's happening to us is a microcosm of what's going to happen to the rest of the pensions in the United States," said Jay Perry, a longtime Teamsters member.

Jay is probably correct.

Public sector pension funds are grossly underfunded in places like Chicago and Houston, while private sector funds are struggling to deal with rock bottom interest rates, which put pressure on expected returns and thus drive the present value of funds' liabilities higher.

Illinois' pension burden has brought the state to its knees financially speaking and in November, Springfield was forced to miss a $560 million payment to its retirement fund. In the private sector, GM said on Thursday that it will sell 20- and 30-year bonds in order to meet its pension obligations

"At the end of last year GM's U.S. hourly pension plan was underfunded by $10.4 billion," The New York Times writes. "About $61 billion of the obligations were funded for the plan's roughly 360,000 pensioners." Maybe it's time for tax payers to bail themselves out. 

Speaking of GM, Kenneth Feinberg - the man who oversaw the distribution of cash compensation to victims who were involved in accidents tied to faulty ignition switches - is now tasked with deciding whether the Central States Pension Fund's proposal to cut benefits passes legal muster. "Central States' proposal would allow the retirees to work and still collect their reduced benefits. But some are no longer able to work, and the idea didn't seem plausible to others," the Star goes on to note.

"You know anybody hiring a 73-year-old mechanic?" Rod Heelan asked Feinberg. "I'm available."

"I'll have to go find a job. I don't know. I'm 68," Gary Meyer of Concordia, Mo said. "It would probably be a minimum-wage job." 

To be sure, retirees' frustrations are justified. That said, the fund is simply running out of money. "We simply can't stay afloat if we continue to pay out $3.46 in pension benefits for every $1 paid in from contributing employers," a letter to retirees reads. 

The fund is projected to go broke by 2026. Without the proposed cuts, no benefits at all will be paid from that point forward

According to letters shared with The Star, cuts range from around 40% to 61%. "[The] average pension loss was more than $1,400 a month," the paper says.

As for what will become of those who depend upon their benefits to survive, the above quoted Gary Meyer summed it up best: "I guess food stamps. Hopefully not. It would be a last resort."

Don't worry Gary, you aren't alone...


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article60760061.html#storylink=c...



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; foodstamps; funny; humor; kansas; kansascity; karma; pensionfunds; tylerdurden; tylerdurdenmyass; zerohedge
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To: caver
What kind of an idiot retires with kids still at home?

Union members who bought the BS about the fluff pensions. Start at 20 years old, retire after 30 at 50 and golf in FLiorida for the next 30 years. Problemo - no way the pensions can handle that actuarial fuzzy math.

81 posted on 02/19/2016 8:22:07 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: caver

Quite likely he is only 40 or so years old!


82 posted on 02/19/2016 8:23:25 AM PST by Beagle8U (Trumpanzees Lives Matter!)
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To: caver

one with a pension that matches his old salary

Jimmy hoffa did it.......stole the money


83 posted on 02/19/2016 8:24:42 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So - GM, which SUPPOSEDLY was profitable, only was so because it skipped out on $BILLIONS of payments it was suppose to pay to its pension fund? Wow - one would think that kind of accounting was learned from a government source...

This all to be said - there are so many things that lead to such problems, and some is the responsibility of the pensioners to begin with. Many years of ever-higher demands towards plumb pension promises (in other words - workers who want a guaranteed future income from a company/corporation/or municipality that has no such guarantees of their own financial position in the future). Companies that actually gave in to these demands also are at fault.

But then - when we ad in the “creative” accounting that has allowed these employers, both public and private, to not actually make their committed payments into the funds - it should be considered criminal (especially when they claim to have been profitable in that time).

And never mind the ever-growing financial burdens placed by government, from regulations to taxes and benefits requirements... which shackles profitability.

This isn’t all that different from those who are planning on living off of Social Security benefits... when all that $$$ they paid in over the course of a lifetime of employment, have been systematically spent by CONgress and corrupt Presidents instead of it being put back to pay said benefits.

Oh - wait - isn’t that exactly what I suggested to begin with... that these pension programs must have learned from politicians...


84 posted on 02/19/2016 8:27:19 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe if the Central States Teamster had not built Las Vegas and given so much of their members dues to Democrat pols they wouldn’t be in this shape. No sympathy for them.


85 posted on 02/19/2016 8:31:19 AM PST by donozark (Bernie Sanders:I was commie when commie wasn't koo-ol!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Many of the above will be expecting Mrs. Bill to bail out their pension funds. She may not be interested in doing so.


86 posted on 02/19/2016 8:31:43 AM PST by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: RightGeek

Plenty of school teachers are in the teamsters!


87 posted on 02/19/2016 8:32:17 AM PST by Beagle8U (Trumpanzees Lives Matter!)
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To: Obadiah

It’s true, but the ladies thought that they had to get out of the houses to find “meaningful” work. Then they started killing their babies to keep their jobs.


88 posted on 02/19/2016 8:33:05 AM PST by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: MNDude

Me too...I would have retired kids, but they passed on early retirement...next five years will put them over 62 and then it begins!

Oldest one expects her company to send her off to cut costs before 60. They do it regularly and yes, no pensions, just contributing 401K’s that are so questionable now as a way to finance retirement.


89 posted on 02/19/2016 8:33:23 AM PST by 3D-JOY (...don't forget to visit the FREEPATHON today!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Related, from Karl Denninger:

Math Is A Bitch.

90 posted on 02/19/2016 8:33:34 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bolobaby

I had a pension with a previous employer, last year they offered a lump-sum payout. You damn right I took the lump sum.


91 posted on 02/19/2016 8:38:14 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

If I recall correctly, I used to submit pension payments, for the company I worked for, to the Central States Pension Fund. Most, if not all, was for the Teamsters. Seems they started putting their funds there after Jimmy Hoffa was caught stealing from the Teamsters coffers.


92 posted on 02/19/2016 8:38:49 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m working until I croak. It’s not the worst thing. I just hope I can do it.


93 posted on 02/19/2016 8:38:49 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I’m with you. I watch my dad since he retired, and I don’t think I could do it. He putters around the house all day. I’d go insane!


94 posted on 02/19/2016 8:45:18 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Beagle8U
Plenty of school teachers are in the teamsters!

I would have absolutely believed that about the nuns in my grade school.


95 posted on 02/19/2016 8:46:20 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: A_perfect_lady

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Don’t get itchy to move.

LA has lower housing costs than other CA urban areas.


96 posted on 02/19/2016 8:47:12 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: yuleeyahoo

Even the federal govt went through pension reform back in the 80’s. That system is still weak due to the skyrocketing federal debt, but at least the actuarial numbers aren’t based on unrealistic investment expectations.


97 posted on 02/19/2016 8:47:17 AM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

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>> “I’m working until I croak. It’s not the worst thing. I just hope I can do it.” <<

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Do what? Work, or croak?

(I’m on the same plan)
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98 posted on 02/19/2016 8:50:53 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dfwgator

You damn right I took the lump sum!

99 posted on 02/19/2016 8:55:02 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Really, many school teachers in the teamsters union.

“. We are truck drivers and police officers, public employees and teachers, firefighters and nurses and many others.”

http://www.teamsters839.org/content/organizing/


100 posted on 02/19/2016 8:57:11 AM PST by Beagle8U (Trumpanzees Lives Matter!)
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