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"I Guess It's Food Stamps": 400,000 Jeopardized As Giant State Pension Fund Plans 50% Benefit Cuts
Zero Hedge ^ | 02/19/2016 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 02/19/2016 7:27:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Dale Dorsey isn't happy.

After working 33 years, he's facing a 55% cut to his pension benefits, a blow which he says will "cripple" his family and imperil the livelihood of his two children, one of whom is in the fourth grade and one of whom is just entering high school.

Dorsey attended a town hall meeting in Kansas City on Tuesday where retirees turned out for a discussion on "massive" pension cuts proposed by the Central States Pension Fund, which covers 400,000 participants, and which will almost certainly go broke within the next decade.

"A controversial 2014 law allowed the pension to propose [deep] cuts, many of them by half or more, as a way to perhaps save the fund," The Kansas City Star wrote earlier this week adding that "two much smaller pensions also have sought similar relief under the law, and still more pensions are significantly underfunded."

"What's happening to us is a microcosm of what's going to happen to the rest of the pensions in the United States," said Jay Perry, a longtime Teamsters member.

Jay is probably correct.

Public sector pension funds are grossly underfunded in places like Chicago and Houston, while private sector funds are struggling to deal with rock bottom interest rates, which put pressure on expected returns and thus drive the present value of funds' liabilities higher.

Illinois' pension burden has brought the state to its knees financially speaking and in November, Springfield was forced to miss a $560 million payment to its retirement fund. In the private sector, GM said on Thursday that it will sell 20- and 30-year bonds in order to meet its pension obligations

"At the end of last year GM's U.S. hourly pension plan was underfunded by $10.4 billion," The New York Times writes. "About $61 billion of the obligations were funded for the plan's roughly 360,000 pensioners." Maybe it's time for tax payers to bail themselves out. 

Speaking of GM, Kenneth Feinberg - the man who oversaw the distribution of cash compensation to victims who were involved in accidents tied to faulty ignition switches - is now tasked with deciding whether the Central States Pension Fund's proposal to cut benefits passes legal muster. "Central States' proposal would allow the retirees to work and still collect their reduced benefits. But some are no longer able to work, and the idea didn't seem plausible to others," the Star goes on to note.

"You know anybody hiring a 73-year-old mechanic?" Rod Heelan asked Feinberg. "I'm available."

"I'll have to go find a job. I don't know. I'm 68," Gary Meyer of Concordia, Mo said. "It would probably be a minimum-wage job." 

To be sure, retirees' frustrations are justified. That said, the fund is simply running out of money. "We simply can't stay afloat if we continue to pay out $3.46 in pension benefits for every $1 paid in from contributing employers," a letter to retirees reads. 

The fund is projected to go broke by 2026. Without the proposed cuts, no benefits at all will be paid from that point forward

According to letters shared with The Star, cuts range from around 40% to 61%. "[The] average pension loss was more than $1,400 a month," the paper says.

As for what will become of those who depend upon their benefits to survive, the above quoted Gary Meyer summed it up best: "I guess food stamps. Hopefully not. It would be a last resort."

Don't worry Gary, you aren't alone...


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article60760061.html#storylink=c...



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; foodstamps; funny; humor; kansas; kansascity; karma; pensionfunds; tylerdurden; tylerdurdenmyass; zerohedge
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To: pie_eater

BIONGO —

There should be no pensions paid until social security age. That would solve 90% of our problems


41 posted on 02/19/2016 7:52:08 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: caver
What kind of an idiot retires with kids still at home?

lazy government employees come immediately to mind.

42 posted on 02/19/2016 7:52:11 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve been telling people for a while - if you a relying on a pension, you are about to get screwed. When the next big bubble pops, pensions are going down hard.


43 posted on 02/19/2016 7:52:14 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

That’s certainly been true in the past and in this guys case. Now more companies are making sure that most employees don’t reach the magic number, or are just dropping their pension plans altogether.


44 posted on 02/19/2016 7:52:34 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: Obadiah
So basically she proposes a more Communist form of Social Security

Yep. The thinking is that after the next market collapse when people start freaking out over their statements, the government would step in and offer to make them "whole" with a "guaranteed monthly payment", and we'd all be jumping over each other to take the deal.

To the Liberal mindset it offers two other advantages. The pension money can be redistributed by the government "more fairly". And it would leave Uncle Sam the majority stockholder in a whole lotta corporations.


45 posted on 02/19/2016 7:53:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog
According to standard Liberal economic theory you SHOULD retire at 51, because that is creating a job for some young person.

Cool, then they can confiscate his paycheck for my retirement... I'm figuring by the time I can afford to retire, I'll be dead. If I time it right, they can just shuffle me from the retirement party into the soylent green machine.

46 posted on 02/19/2016 7:53:40 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (I got nothin'.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Gosh I feel sorry for this fellow (/sarc)

I'm 61 yrs old
Working at current job for 35 yrs
Plan to keep working until Wife tells me to quit
Have 401-K, No Debt, No Dependents,
but still worried about outliving savings
and Social Security biting the dust

Yeah, I feel sorry for this fellow

47 posted on 02/19/2016 7:53:41 AM PST by HangnJudge (Cthulhu for President, why vote for a lesser Evil)
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To: Logical me

Holy cow! You’ve got a daughter that’s retired?


48 posted on 02/19/2016 7:54:09 AM PST by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is what happens when THE GOVERNMENT controls a pension fund...

No need to actually deposit money into a savings account, just promise to pay them out of future tax revenue!

If a business owner promised to pay his employee’s pensions out of their future income, they would never be allowed to do that.


49 posted on 02/19/2016 7:55:01 AM PST by Mr. K (Trump/Cruz 2016)
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To: Obadiah
Uh, I think I might know how your F-I-L might vote.

His union newsletter told him that they spend "less than 2% of member dues on political activities". And he believes them.


50 posted on 02/19/2016 7:55:04 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

She’s on my airport list.

L


51 posted on 02/19/2016 7:55:22 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

If you would retire at 51 AND break a bunch of windows on your way out of the building, you’d be creating TWO jobs!


52 posted on 02/19/2016 7:56:18 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Logical me

You know, when I read stories like yours I want to jack-slap all those morons who made fun of the 50’s and things such as Leave-it to Beaver shows. For all the ridicule heaped upon things like Father Knows Best and the like, please compare and contrast those golden times with the stinging dreck and the sludge the 60’s counter culture heaped upon this country.


53 posted on 02/19/2016 7:56:35 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: MrEdd
Politicians of the era gambled that they would be out of office before the consequences hit.

Unfortunately that's how most politicians think...that's why we're 19 trillion dollars in debt. And it's not all obama's fault...as much as I'd like to blame him...but Congress has signed on to every penny of it.

54 posted on 02/19/2016 7:56:41 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: pgkdan
What kind of an idiot retires with kids still at home?

lazy government employees come immediately to mind.

The guy worked there for 33 years. I don't think lazy applies.

55 posted on 02/19/2016 7:59:00 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are. Go Ted.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Bwahahahaa... Yeah, astonishing how people believe things like that.


56 posted on 02/19/2016 8:00:36 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: SeekAndFind

Who in his right mind will buy those 20 and 30 year bonds? They’ll have to pay 10% interest. LOL


57 posted on 02/19/2016 8:00:46 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Obadiah

Just remember folks, not all union members vote Democratic and not all of them are living the gravy train life as retirees. This is not a time to start bashing retirees and their benefits. I suspect Democratic mischief behind these stories coming to the fore right now. Trying to scare Republican- leaning union families away from voting for the sensible Republican policies.


58 posted on 02/19/2016 8:02:14 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: HamiltonJay

I was born when my dad was 60.

He never intended to retire, although he had a pension from 25+ years in the army he *LOVED* his job as a PI, enjoyed it every day, and was very very good at it. Then he had a stroke when he was 67...


59 posted on 02/19/2016 8:02:24 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Better questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.)
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To: SkyPilot

You’re not the first, but I absolutely expect it.


60 posted on 02/19/2016 8:02:29 AM PST by mykroar ("Never believe anything until it has been officially denied." - Otto von Bismarck)
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