Posted on 01/26/2016 9:08:32 PM PST by Nachum
Ammon Bundy has been arrested and his brother Ryan was wounded in a shoot-out with FBI officers that left one of their militiamen dead, reports claim. It is the climax of a tense stand-off between federal agents and the activists more than three weeks after they took over a government building in Burns, Oregon, to protest two ranchers being jailed. They were driving to a community meeting with eight other activists on Tuesday afternoon when they were stopped by traffic cops, according KATU. Within minutes, shots were fired, wounding Ryan Bundy and killing an unidentified militiaman. It is not clear
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Must be exhausting.
Hope they're paying union scale.
Can you believe that chump was a West Point grad, a former US Army officer? Hard to believe he was in the same Army Randy Weaver was in.
Lavoy Finicum, quote “I have no intention of pointing a gun at anybody who is not pointing a gun at me”
Sorry to see this man is no longer with us. From what I can gather up about him he loved his family, this country, and God.
Just read a few pages of his book on Amazon.
Just darn.
Not everyone here on FR shares your opinion. This thing was a wreck from the beginning and it’s only gotten worse. I am sad that someone died, but that someone (in his own words) predicted his fate on television stating he was always armed and he would die before he went to prison.
It’s frustrating to read the comments around here tonight that basically suggest the FBI murdered the man. It appears there are many FReepers who should support “Black Lives Matter” to maintain intellectual honesty. Maybe you should all take to the streets yelling “hands up, don’t shoot”? I have already seen suggestions of murder written several times.
My favorite is the posts that seem bitter because they believe it was “not a fair fight.” Let’s see.... law enforcement should meet the person breaking the law on even terms - 20 paces and turn around? That’s stupid. These men were breaking the law. While they might have some legitimate grievances they were not residents of this area, were asked to leave by the Sheriff (I thought this was the supreme authority for sovereign citizens?), and some of them were even demanding that the government give the land to them?
Don’t you see the irony? Even the other “militia” groups steered clear of this. There was no “blow for freedom” that was struck in Oregon - the whole thing is pretty sad.
Ever been to Oregon?
That was the ATF. The FBI didn’t come into Waco until well after the initial raid/shootout.
Yes - both sides
Please educate yourself on what was done to the Hammonds and the quest of the federal gov't to destroy their livelihood and take their land.
To equate this to the black lives matters rioting and lootings is disingenuous and despicable.
BTW I don't know what happened at the stop but common sense tells me that it was not a "routine traffic stop"
I doubt that further conversation will be fruitful.
Goodnight.
Yes. What they say will be telling.
True..
I did not see or note that you wrote it, but look at some of the threads repeating the alleged statement that the man had his hands up when he was shot as if it was gospel. Do a word search for the word murder. How is that different than what BLM alleges by law enforcement?
I think the sentence for the Hammonds was harsh. No argument there, but I believe their chances of getting the mandatory time knocked down were far better before Bundy and crew barged into the picture. Congress are the ones that need to fix the law and as someone who lives in the middle of wildfire country on acreage there is a right way to light a fire and a wrong way that endangers others property and the lives of firefighters. Was not there and don’t know what happened, but they were convicted of it.
The media seems to have labeled it as a “routine traffic stop.” The FBI does not do traffic stops and I am sure it was a felony stop designed to overwhelm them given the comments many of the occupiers have made. There was only going to be one ending for this and it was not a situation the FBI created.
BLM has their faults, but I own graze and I don’t let people park their cows on my pasture for free. I know ranchers and BLM is not price gouging anyone on graze by any stretch - I don’t know if it’s fair to call it subsidizing by the government because the cows grazing on public lands can make those lands much healthier. There is definitely room for improvement and I would like to see local communities derive more from the public lands that surround them, but using some of the arguments I heard from this group the land should be given back to the Native Americans. They have a far stronger claim than “pappy and grandpappy ran cows here.”
I have said repeatedly that better things could be done in the management of the land, but anybody familiar with the politics of Western Oregon (dominates the state) is in for a rude awakening if the government just handed the land over to Oregon. Same with Washington. That is reality. I was predisposed to have some sympathy for the land use argument, but the assertions of this group never made any sense to me from a logical standpoint.
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That’s what you think Bundy was after?
A book deal?
Yeah, but Reno was indulging her idea that child sexual abuse was occurring at the Koresh compound. She was not going to be stopped saving (all together now) “the children.”
She has the blood of 82 people on her hands.
Grazing for free on federal land, federal loan guarantees, getting true believers to send him money and gear, whatever he can collect.
The Bundys seem to be pretty comfortable - and comfortable with fame - in their careers as "outlaws" who have yet to serve any sentences.
My guess is that they have the best lawyers in the bunch too.
It's sickening to me that this Finicum guy bought the whole scam hook, line, and sinker and now he's dead because he's the only one in the group who acted on his convictions.
There's a lot of big talk on this forum, yet I don't think anyone posting here is typing with one hand on his phone with the other on his rifle from inside Malheur.
People here seem angry that the feds didn't repeat Waco or something.
They're also criticizing other militias and voluntary organizations like III% and Oath Keepers for not intervening violently - why aren't they there intervening? Why are the other groups cowards?
Why are these keyboard warriors in a position to criticize?
FBI Hostage Rescue Team at it again?
Thanks for posting the link.
What’s wrong with this picture? Our government is willing to murder innocent men; but they can’t seem to indict the real scum. We seriously need a change.
If they don't have several films of this, it was an execution.
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