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Why Conservatives Praise Bernie Sanders on Immigration
Time ^ | Jan. 7, 2016 | Sam Frizell

Posted on 01/11/2016 10:34:50 AM PST by presidio9

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Also this summer, King compared Sanders with Republican candidate Donald Trump, saying they’re "both speaking with non-politically correct language, and Bernie has taken some positions that I agree with. And part of his immigration policy is something that I agree with."

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But the praise is not accidental. Sanders' opposition to the 2007 immigration reform bill and his rhetoric about the effect of immigrant labor on American workers have dismayed immigration activists and liberal allies in the past. He has expressed concern repeatedly over the years that guest workers in the United States depress wages and squeeze Americans out of their jobs.

Sanders opposed comprehensive immigration reform in 2007 on the grounds that it would expand the number of guest workers in the United States. It included a measure that would allow 200,000 guest workers to stay in the country for two years on temporary visas. The bill was widely supported by immigrant rights groups and would have put the undocumented on a path to citizenship.

"If poverty is increasing and if wages are going down, I don’t know why we need millions of people to be coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages than American workers and drive waged down even lower than they are now," Sanders said in a television interview in June 2007.

Joining Sanders in opposing the 2007 bill was the AFL-CIO, the largest coalition of labor unions in the country—as well as staunchly conservative members of Congress like King and advocates like Beck.

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1 posted on 01/11/2016 10:34:50 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

We do?


2 posted on 01/11/2016 10:35:54 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Trump and Cruz are not attacking each other. Why don't their follows take note)
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To: presidio9
But the praise is not accidental. Sanders' opposition to the 2007 immigration reform bill and his rhetoric about the effect of immigrant labor on American workers have dismayed immigration activists and liberal allies in the past. He has expressed concern repeatedly over the years that guest workers in the United States depress wages and squeeze Americans out of their jobs.

Is Sanders an NRA member too?

3 posted on 01/11/2016 10:38:09 AM PST by GOPJ (Trump's living rent-free in Jeb's head - wearing a robe and comfy slippers. FlickLives)
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To: presidio9

Time.

Desperately trying to appear relevant since even before the internet.


4 posted on 01/11/2016 10:39:37 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Is Ted Cruz a US citizen? Yeah? Then Shut Up and Sit Down.)
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To: presidio9

Organized diversion: some clown just called Rush, claiming significant conservative support for Sanders; Rush later referenced numerous seemingly coordinated entries on lefty web-sites (Daily Kos, etc.) claiming the same BS.

Maybe among potheads on the right, but otherwise delusion or an attempt at misdirection, IMHO.


5 posted on 01/11/2016 10:40:25 AM PST by Stosh
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To: GOPJ

LOL!


6 posted on 01/11/2016 10:40:27 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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7 posted on 01/11/2016 10:42:27 AM PST by TexasCajun (#BlackViolenceMatters)
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To: GOPJ
More like an attempt to capture the support of the AFL-CIO, but it is important to recognize why trade unions oppose immigration.

Unlikely as it sounds, conservative candidate would do will to be talking about their common ground with trade unions on this issue.

Union membership continues to decline, but plenty of union members disagree with the Democrats on a host of issues other than those most associated with union-specific causes like pension reform.

8 posted on 01/11/2016 10:48:46 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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Unlikely as it sounds, conservative candidate would do will to be talking about their common ground with trade unions on this issue.

I agree. Did you know Cesar Chavez once said he would have his own mother arrested if she crossed the border illegally from Mexico to work illegally in the US - busting his Union...

9 posted on 01/11/2016 10:55:06 AM PST by GOPJ (Trump's living rent-free in Jeb's head - Trump's wearing a robe and comfy slippers. FlickLives)
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To: presidio9
Unlikely as it sounds, conservative candidate would do will to be talking about their common ground with trade unions on this issue.

I agree. Did you know Cesar Chavez once said he would have his own mother arrested if she crossed the border illegally from Mexico to work illegally in the US - busting his Union... Maybe someone should mention that to Hillary at the next debate... CNN, right?

10 posted on 01/11/2016 10:55:45 AM PST by GOPJ (Trump's living rent-free in Jeb's head - Trump's wearing a robe and comfy slippers. FlickLives)
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To: GOPJ
Did you know Cesar Chavez once said he would have his own mother arrested if she crossed the border illegally from Mexico to work illegally in the US - busting his Union...

Correct. And, as an aside, this is the way the right ought to be framing this subject if it wants to cut into the DNC monopoly on Latino votes.

I happen to own a business that occasionally employs immigrant workers. Of course we do what is required by law to make these men verify their legal status to work in this country. I can assure you and everyone else reading this that these men are more strongly opposed to illegal immigration than anyone you meet. They also side with the right on social issues, like abortion and gay marriage.

However, in an election, those who can vote will probably vote for the Democrat candidate. Why is that? Because most of them do not pay a lot of attention to politics in this country, or even watch English news programs. What they hear about the candidates is that all Republicans hate brown people, because that is the headline when the leading GOP candidate says that rapists are included in the illegals coming into this country and the liberal media repackages this into "Trump says all Mexicans are rapists."

11 posted on 01/11/2016 11:06:25 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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I can assure you and everyone else reading this that these men are more strongly opposed to illegal immigration than anyone you meet. They also side with the right on social issues, like abortion and gay marriage.

You're right on this issue and we DO need to get the word out to our fellow citizens who happen to be Hispanic. One problem our side has is elites like Jeb who want to pander to what they imagine is the Hispanic position and tell a disturbing and condescending story. Her's another shocker - a lot of Americans who just happen to be Muslim DO NOT want Muslims from Syria flooding the country.

12 posted on 01/11/2016 11:10:57 AM PST by GOPJ (Trump's living rent-free in Jeb's head - Trump's wearing a robe and comfy slippers. FlickLives)
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One problem our side has is elites like Jeb who want to pander to what they imagine is the Hispanic position and tell a disturbing and condescending story.

You are correct. I also think that Jeb in particular, but several other prominent Republicans, do the left's job for them when they start talking about having "compassion" for those who are here illegally. This implies that the opposing position compassionate. Because the majority of GOP voters are supporting these uncompassionate candidates, it gives credence to the lie that Republicans in general are not compassionate when it comes to immigration issues. What could be more compassionate than taking the steps to ensure that the legal residents of this country who are most at risk -those who are marginally skilled, not familiar with our culture and lacking a sound grasp of the native tongue -are not undercut by illegals who will do the same job for less pay?

13 posted on 01/11/2016 11:47:55 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Partisan Media Shills Alert!


14 posted on 01/11/2016 12:10:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: GOPJ

It sounds like Bernie has enough sense to understand that if you import an endless supply of third world takers, the fixed supply of other people’s money will run out much sooner.


15 posted on 01/11/2016 12:29:59 PM PST by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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Bump for later.


16 posted on 01/11/2016 1:20:57 PM PST by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123, Bahbah, and Just Lori.)
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To: presidio9
What could be more compassionate than taking the steps to ensure that the legal residents of this country who are most at risk -those who are marginally skilled, not familiar with our culture and lacking a sound grasp of the native tongue -are not undercut by illegals who will do the same job for less pay?

What you're talking about is compassion for honest hard working people who have chosen to become Americans. They're the people WE were when we first got here. You've described the place conservatives must stand. With the innocent and good. Your compassion's well placed.

What liberals do is strange to me... I suspect it's because they never actually know real people in these situations, they tend to stand with the people who hate our country or are criminals OR foreign elites.

Your comment was so well crafted and beautifully expressed I was tempted not to distract from by commenting. Thanks for sharing presidio.

17 posted on 01/11/2016 1:25:36 PM PST by GOPJ (Trump's living rent-free in Jeb's head - Trump's wearing a robe and comfy slippers. FlickLives)
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Hell no. Sanders wants instant citizenship for the illegals already here. He then wants to give them a “living wage” which means even more illegals pouring over our border to take those jobs. And he wants to give those here reparations for not being paid enough.


18 posted on 01/11/2016 1:32:06 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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I'm not a big FOX News guy, but if you missed Megyn Kelly's interview with Charles Koch ( transcript here) over Christmas, it's worth checking out. At one point, Kelly tries to pin him down on a particular political philosophy, and Koch describes himself as a "Classical liberal.":

"A Classical liberal is someone who wants a society that maximizes peace, civility, tolerance and well being for everyone. One that opens opportunities for everyone to advance themselves."

"L-word" aside, this is Reagan's brand of Conservatism, and it is mine as well. Kelly asks him if that means he might vote for Hillary Clinton, and he gives a wonderful answer:

"Well, I mean, putting aside all the things that are said about Hillary today, my main difference with her is on the vision of what kind of society will make people's lives better. So this is a vision of society in which people are too evil or stupid to run their own lives, but those in power are perfectly capable of running everybody else's lives because they're so much smarter. It's what Hayek called the 'fatal conceit,' or William Easterly called 'the tyranny of experts,' because that's what it is, it is tyranny...

I don't have a guy. I have these principles and what I'm trying to accomplish. And what we need, to me, is a candidate that will help change the trajectory of the country from all this wasteful, irresponsible spending that's heading us for a financial cliff -not just by the Democrats but by the Republicans. The reason we tend to support Republicans is they're taking us toward the cliff at only 70 miles per hour miles an hour and the Democrats are taking us 100 miles an hour.

19 posted on 01/11/2016 1:42:18 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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My feeling about Charles Koch is he should keep his wallet in his back pocket and throw his hat in the ring. Both brothers should be running for office or writing books or mentoring young people in college settings... No Republican should accept their money. These men have more to offer than money.


20 posted on 01/11/2016 2:16:52 PM PST by GOPJ (Trump's living rent-free in Jeb's head - Trump's wearing a robe and comfy slippers. FlickLives)
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