I’m really upset with Trump for bringing this up again .. because now the LEFT believes they have a reason to really take Cruz out of the election.
And .. when you hear what Trump said originally, his complete about face is really concerning.
And of course you have made sure that this isn't some flaming leftist or RINO making up a story out of hatred for conservatives, because you would NEVER slur a conservative.
Would you?
The article quotes a Cruz debate teammate from Canada who says, upon border crossings, that Cruz usually identified as an “American,” but also acknowledged he had dual citizenship.
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You “explanation” of the article is not completely correct. You don’t need to attempt to mislead on your posts. It sounds like Cruz simply shook his head yes “because I pointed him to and said he was a dual citizen.”
A more complete extract follows:
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Lubetsky said he remembered one occasion at a border crossing where Cruz identified himself as a dual citizen, “because I pointed him to and said he was a dual citizen.”
“I think his normal routine was to identify himself as an American,” he said.
Lubetsky remembered Cruz, and other members of the debate team, coming to his home in Toronto and Cruz proudly telling his mother that Texas was so big that if it was flipped on its end, it would reach to the Canadian border.
“There is no doubt that Ted identified himself as an American,” he said. “He was always an American and a Texan and that was certainly the case back then. We would cross the border to come to Canada and he would identify as an American.”
Lubetsky said he remembered one occasion at a border crossing where Cruz identified himself as a dual citizen, “because I pointed him to and said he was a dual citizen.”
“I think his normal routine was to identify himself as an American,” he said.
Whoa, when I went to the story, there were less than four hundred comments. By the time I read about half, it had jumped to over 1200 comments.
The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth. For more information on dual nationality please visit the Consular Affairs website.
Ted Cruz Citizenship Timeline
March 26, 2015 at 7:04pm
Cruz Citizenship Timeline (documented)
State of Delaware Vital Records says, no record of Eleanor Elizabeth Darragh Wilson birth exist. Ted Cruz’s mother does not have a US birth certificate.
FACTUAL CRUZ CITIZENSHIP TIMELINE
(Everything presented in this timeline is a matter of public record. All of it is based upon publicly reported events, public statements made by Rafael Cruz, Ted Cruz, officials with the Elect Ted movement or US and Canadian officials.”
1957 - After working as a teen to help Fidel Castro gain power in Cuba, and being imprisoned for his actions by the Batista regime, Cuban Rafael Cruz applies for admittance to the University of Te’as as a foreign student and enters the US on a four year student visa to attend four years of college. He is a Cuban citizen attending a US college on a foreign student visa obtained through the US Consulate in Havana.
1961-1962 - After graduating college at the University of Texas, and upon the expiration of his foreign student visa, Cruz Sr. applied for and received “political asylum” and was issued a “green card.” A green card is a permit to reside and work in the United States, without becoming a “citizen” of the United States, in this case, under political asylum from Castro’s Cuba. His citizenship status was that of a Cuban national living and working in the United States, under a green card work permit. According to US laws, the “green card” holder must maintain permanent resident status, and can be removed from the United States if certain conditions of this status are not met.
1964-1966 - Cruz Sr. takes a few odd jobs, marries and moves to Canada to work in the oil fields. The Cruz family resides in Canada for the next eight years. “I worked in Canada for eight years,†Rafael Cruz says. “And while I was in Canada, I became a Canadian citizen.†– (From and interview with NPR) “Peter Spiro, a legal expert on US citizenship at Temple University. Spiro says Rafael Cruz’s multi-country odyssey did not follow traditional models for immigration. SPIRO - “Ted Cruz himself seems to be an advocate of those traditional immigration models. Maybe he should be a little more tolerant of the nontraditional Versions, given his own father’s history.â€
1970 - Ted Cruz is born in Canada, to two parents who had lived in Canada for at least four years at that time, and had applied for and received Canadian citizenship under Canadian Immigration and Naturalization Laws, as stated by Rafael Cruz. As a result, US statutes would have voided the prior “green card” status which requires among other things, permanent residency within the United States and obviously, not becoming a citizen of another country during the time frame of the US green card.
1974 - The Cruz family moves to the United States when Ted is approximately four years old. Rafael Cruz has publicly stated that he remained a citizen of Canada until he renounced his Canadian citizenship when he applied for and became a US Naturalized citizen in 2005. As a result, his wife and son were also Canadian citizens, his son being born a citizen of Canada in 1970.
2005 - Rafael Cruz applies for legal US citizenship and renounces his Canadian citizenship. No record of Ted renouncing his Canadian citizenship or applying for US citizenship exists as of 2005.
2013 - Freshman Senator Ted Cruz is a rising star in the Tea Party movement, and calls for him to run for the White House begin. In July, Ted Cruz is Questioned by the press about his interest in running for President, and the issue of his Canadian born citizenship is brought up Sen. Ted Cruz rejected questions Sunday over his eligibility to be president, saying that although he was born in Canada “the facts are clear†that he is a US citizen.
“My mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. She is a US. citizen, so I’m a US citizen by birth,†Cruz told A&C. “I’m not going to engage in a legal debate.â€
NOTE: Senator Cruz omits the part of his father’s story, in particular, the part about his parents applying for and receiving Canadian citizenship prior to Ted’s birth in Calgary. He also attempts to gloss past the actual definition of natural)born Citizen by implying it is a mere legal debate for others to figure out.
August 2013 - As Ted’s political stock rises in the Tea Party, so do press questions about his eligibility for office. Ted decides to quiet the questions by releasing his birth certificate, which now becomes absolute proof of Ted’s Canadian citizenship at birth, 1970, Calgary, Canada. The release of the Canadian birth records only serve to further fuel the controversy.
Ted seeks Legal Counsel, as the media is now pressing members of Canadian Immigration and Naturalization to clear the matter up, when instead, Canadian officials confirm the Ted Cruz was in fact born a legal citizen of Canada, the son of two parents who had also applied for and received Canadian citizenship prior to Ted’s birth.
“He’s a Canadian,†said Toronto lawyer Stephen Green, past chairman of the Canadian Bar Association’s Citizenship and Immigration Section.
“Generally speaking, under the Citizenship Act of 1947, those born in Canada were automatically citizens at birth unless their parent was a foreign diplomat, â€said ministry spokeswoman Julie Lafortune.
Legal counsel advises Ted to “renounce his Canadian citizenship” in order to make himself eligible to run for the presidency. Of course, renouncing one’s original citizenship only further proves one’s original citizenship.
May 2014 - Ted Cruz legal counsel files to renounce Ted’s Canadian citizenship in an effort to make him eligible to run for high office under the natural born Citizen clause Article II in the US Constitution.
AUSTIN, Texas - Canada-born US Sen. Ted Cruz has given up his citizenship from his birth country, making good on a promise from last summer. spokeswoman Catherine Frazier said “the Tea Party favorite formally gave up his citizenship May 14th. He received official confirmation of the action at his Houston home Tuesday.â€
News that he had renounced his citizenship was first reported by the Dallas Morning News. The newspaper also bro$e that Cruz had dual Canadian) US citizenship when he released his birth certificate in August.
Frazier said Cruz “he is pleased to have the process finalized†and that it “makes sense he should be only an American citizen.â€- of course, the Constitution does not require that one be only an American citizen, but rather a natural born Citizen.
As of February 4, 2015 - No evidence of any US Citizenship has been released to confirm anything at all about the true citizenship status of Ted Cruz.
Because Ted Cruz has been confirmed a legal citizen of Canada up until renouncing his Canadian citizenship in May of 2014, and because he has been confirmed a citizen of Canada at birth, and because his father is on public record stating that he and his wife became citizens of Canada during their eight years living in Canada and because Rafael Cruz remained a citizen of Canada until he renounced and applied for legal US citizenship in 2005. There is simply NO WAY that Ted Cruz was, is or ever can be a Natural Born Citizen of the United States eligible for the offices of President or Vice President.
So, does this mean that members of the Tea Party are engaged in an overt effort to defraud Tea Party members who are Ted fans, by all of this legal fancy foot work.
The facts are all well documented. You decide...
One who inherits their Citizenship at birth via nature alone, from their natural birth father, is a natural born Citizen of the United States. According to all available information on Ted Cruz and his family, Ted Cruz was a native born citizen of Canada and not a natural born Citizen of the United States. Now, Ted is either not too bright, or not too honest... But he is at least one of the two... and what about the Tea Party leaders behind this legal shell game?
State of Delaware vital records says, no record of Eleanor Elizabeth Darragh Wilson Cruz exist. Ted Cruz’s mother does not have a US birth certificate.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/256409078/Cruz-Citizenship-Timeline-documented
Ted Cruz Citizenship Timeline
State of Delaware Vital Records says, no record of Eleanor Elizabeth Darragh Wilson Cruz birth exist. Ted Cruz’s mother does not have a US birth certificate.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/anna-tomerlin/ted-cruz-citizenship-timeline/815852778451290
I’d like to see his mother’s birth certificate. Did she file tax returns in the U.S. during her time in Canada? Did she ever renounce her U.S. citizenship?
If she renounced, I don’t think he’s a citizen of the U.S. at all.
There’s also a legal issue that the wife didn’t determine things at that time. It was the man:
https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/natural-born-citizen-and-coverture/
Likely the current Supreme Court wants to make anyone possible eligible for the presidency and would rule for Cruz.
But to say it’s a non issue is an insult to those of us ridiculed as ‘birthers’ by the Obamabots.
Ted Cruz is a Canadian born.
But Ted Cruz is also a birthright citizen and has every right to run for the office of President.
This topic is silly, brilliant politics, but silly.
Ted had a six day bus tour of Iowa that was supposed to a victory lap and it’s turned into a cluster-f and media circus. If it’s not reporters asking him about being Canadian, it’s King Corn trolling him on ethanol.
I still believe Cruz is going to win Iowa, but all of this will hurt him further down the line. I just think some folks don’t want to vote for a man born in another country, no matter how good he is.
"I think his normal routine was to identify himself as an American," he said.
In other words, Cruz habitually and routinely referred to himself as an American. In one instance his companion, not Cruz, made a reference to a border crossing official that Cruz was a "dual citizen". We don't even know whether Cruz even heard the remark, or made much of it if he did.
I do know that the concept expressed here: "I pointed him to and said he was a dual citizen." does NOT equate to anything of consequence, and it is certainly does not equate to Ted Cruz acknowledging dual citizenship. All it confirms is that Lubetsky acknowledged Cruz's dual citizenship
Of course we all know now that Cruz did indeed hold dual citizenship. Big deal.
In other news, it has been discovered that coal miners sweat during their shifts.
Doesn't pass the smell test
As a hot shot lawyer he could have found out years ago.
Obama ‘identified’ as a foreign “Indonesian” on first applying for college here in the US, IIRC.
OFGS. Everything I’ve seen you post lately has been a swipe against Ted. Give it a rest already.
You’re digging up crap from childhood?
The paid posters like yourself smell of desperation?
What camp is paying you? yeb? I doubt Trump would be this stupid
More birther garbage. That ship sailed with Obama.
“...but also acknowledged he had dual citizenship...”
Reading the article, isn’t it the classmate (not Cruz) talking when he says, “ because *I* pointed to him and said he was a dual citizen...”
Where does it show that Cruz himself “identified” as a dual citizen as the headline implies? Cruz knew he was born in Canada, but didn’t know he had Canadian citizenship until later. You can google where his family never applied for it and they did not know Canada did it automatically and nine months after learning Canada had done it, he had completed the process to renounce it.
Did I miss something or is the whole article one big strawman argument?
Ted Cruz the brilliant Harvard Law graduate certainly knew he was a dual citizen. I have no idea why he lied about it when caught.
I think there may need to be a change in law for the future.
I believe that any child born of a US citizen (current or former) should by default, have American citizenship. I say this because a parent who renounces their US citizenship is in effect punishing their later children without their consent by denying them the benefits of being an American citizen.
For example, If my parents had moved to Canada and renounced their American citizenship and I was later born in Canada, I would be denied US citizenship even though my ancestors had been in what is the United States since the 1620’s and at least one of my great grandfathers fought in the American Revolution.
This entire matter could be settled in minutes if Sen Cruz can present an FS-240 or a DS-1350. Has he done so?
Ted Cruz should take Trump’s advice and make all his documentation available.
Show us his mother’s birth certificate, his American passport and /or Canadian passport. His father’s citizenship papers for Canada and USA.
I was surprised to find out there was controversy about his mother’s birthplace. I can’t figure out why there would be any problem finding out where his mother was born, but supposedly they can’t find a birth certificate for his mother in Delaware. She has Wilmington Delaware listed as her place of birth on Ted’s birth certificate.
His parents lived and owned a business in Canada for 8 years. Four before Ted was born.
Ted should release all, if he wants to put this to rest and ask for a declaratory judgement, if that is possible in this case.
I’m a bit late to this thread. What I find a bit disturbing is that he was fretting as a child about obstacles to his becoming president. At what point does a kid become power-hungry enough to decide that he should be leader of the free world?