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Why are FReepers rallying around a crony socialist?

Posted on 12/24/2015 7:07:28 AM PST by dangus

Donald Trump has an excuse for funding Hillary Clinton's election to the U.S. Senate from New York: That's how crony socialism is done. You pay off elected officials to become their crony, then you get special consideration for your real estate deals. Please FReepers, explain to me how this isn't precisely what we are trying to STOP in Washington? Do you know what I don't hear coming from Trump? "I'm going to put an end to such games." Rather, it seems like he is proud of how he has played the game, considers it is how he rose to the top, and in his generous self-appraisal, figures that anything that helped him make more of his billions must be good.

He also favors socialized medicine. Not just a mandated level of services (Obamacare), but the government paying for universal, single-payer health care. This isn't an opinion from 2000. This is from his current campaign:

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”

Scott Pelley: Universal health care.

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?

Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it.

Trump isn't a conservative. He's a narcissist who can't help telling the crowds what he thinks they want to hear. And so what we get in the Republican debates is an unelectable charicature of conservatism. One moment he's for keeping all Muslims out; the next he's only for keeping Islamofascists out. Well, duh. One moment, he's against the invasion of America by millions of communist Chinese and socialist Mexicans, the next, he's endorsing touchback amnesty.

Wait... you didn't know Trump favors granting citizenship to just about any red Chinese or Mexican who asks for it? "We have a lot of good people, they’ve been here and they've done a good job. It’s a tough situation and in some cases they haven’t been good people, and there have been some problems. The good ones we’ll expedite."

That's right... he's going to expedite illegal aliens already in the United States so that they can come right back into the United States.

Building a wall and then expediting illegal aliens in a touchback amnesty might help solve the security risks of uncontrolled illegal aliens, but how exactly are we going to simultaneously "expedite" them and screen them for terrorist connections? More than that, the fear that there might be terrorists among illegal aliens is one of the relatively minor issues I have with illegal aliens. I don't want my country invaded by Red Chinese and Mexican Reconquistadoras, driving down wages and consuming far more government services that they pay for.

But then we come to the issue that will make Donald Trump utterly, totally, completely unelectable. Unlike most socialists, Trump believes that American middle-class wages are too high. He has said this at almost every debate, and no rival or moderator has called him out on it. But with the Republicans already having a tough sell with Romney's legendary 47% who live off the government, can Republicans tell the vast majority of the remainder of Americans, "Oh, by the way, we'd be happy if you had way less money?"

Please, people, don't be like that Democrat socialite who couldn't believe Nixon won because she didn't know anyone who voted Republican. Trump is getting 96% of the coverage of Republican candidates, so he is who everyone is talking about. But don't confuse the volume of attention with electability. In a head-to-head poll matchup, Trump loses to Bernie Sanders in a landslide.

I've always thought the mainstream Republicans were fools to refuse to stand up for conservative values in the hope of winning an election. It's not just about watering down your beliefs to win over the middle; it's about giving people in the middle reason to think you'll do something about the conservative concerns they do have, and giving the base a reason to come out to vote. But is nominating someone who makes 58% of Americans think he is just an obnoxious blowhard the solution?

Please, if you think I'm an idiot, don't just tell me I'm an idiot. Tell me where you think I'm wrong. Tell me why you don't believe Trump won't pass a touchback amnesty into law, or won't institute socialized medicine. Show me data to say how he has a prayer of winning. I really do want a reason to believe that we're not about piss away our best chance at electing a conservative president since Ronald Reagan.


TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New York; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2016election; cruzbotvanity; cruzcandadian; election2016; fino; idiot; lame; moron; newyork; tds; thegreatintender; trump; trumpnotownedbypacs; vanity; yawn
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To: dangus

Thank you brother. I shall be writing a full-on editorial encapsulating these thoughts in a more well-structured manner.

Appreciate your open-minded response.


281 posted on 12/24/2015 5:14:57 PM PST by Lazamataz (It has gotten to the point where any report from standard news outlets must be fact-checked.)
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To: dangus

Voters chose Obama because of the color- black.

Voters are choosing Trump because of the colors- red, white and blue.


282 posted on 12/24/2015 5:16:52 PM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: spetznaz

I agree with what you write about feedback loops.


283 posted on 12/24/2015 5:16:54 PM PST by dangus
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To: kiryandil

Spade really? Never heard that one. Heard Val Kilmer, Nick Nolte, American Gigilo (when I was in college) - but never Spade.

I’m not a little guy....not like Spade at all.


284 posted on 12/24/2015 5:51:06 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: editor-surveyor

no one around here wants to admit that “top down” control thing.....used to be at FR that they would. No more....


285 posted on 12/24/2015 5:51:06 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

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We have a critical mass of shills here now.
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286 posted on 12/24/2015 5:58:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: kiryandil

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Give George Soros our regards when you hit the sack tonight!
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287 posted on 12/24/2015 6:01:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: rockrr

yep, good one!

FTR....also at Amazon, conventions, etc too.....


288 posted on 12/24/2015 6:04:06 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: VanDeKoik

Among members of the Senate? Nope.


289 posted on 12/24/2015 6:22:13 PM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: dforest

Who is it that supports Cruz who hates you? Robert Mercer?


290 posted on 12/24/2015 8:22:21 PM PST by dangus
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To: gusopol3

I think Celebrity Apprentice may have inoculated him against conservatives thinking he is a racist. One of the seasons I watched, he was more than even-handed; he had a mammoth man-crush on Geraldo Rivera. He was selected by team-mates for firing like 7 or 8 times in a row, but every time, Trump fired a much superior candidate.


291 posted on 12/24/2015 8:24:52 PM PST by dangus
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To: rockrr

Shoo, rockrr. Don’t you have some War Against Northern Aggression threads to sully with your blue-belly belly-aching?


292 posted on 12/24/2015 9:24:17 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I'm not a little guy....not like Spade at all.

Trust me. You're little. You've somehow managed to escape the notice of one of FR's oldest media archivists in your nearly 6 years here.

That's some mean trick. :)

293 posted on 12/24/2015 9:28:40 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: editor-surveyor
Give George Soros our regards when you hit the sack tonight!

Like I give an Obama what someone who dragged into FR at the end of February 1998 thinks.

We did all the heavy lifting BEFORE you got here, e-s.

You're welcome. :)

294 posted on 12/24/2015 9:33:17 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: C. Edmund Wright; rockrr
rockrr is a punk. I haven't figured out what you are, yet.

Not sure if I want to deal with the tedium of assessing your "work".

BTW - the "jealousy" thingee? I'm a data guy, and occasional sower of bon-mots. I can write, but I'm not a columnist, nor blogger. I assess, objectively. And I'm eminently qualified, having been on the front lines here for nearly 20 years.

So, no, Wright - I'm not "jealous" of you. I just noticed you today. :)

295 posted on 12/24/2015 9:41:26 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: dangus
I didn't breeze right past this; I didn't have the chance to respond yet. And actually, I think your analysis is quite on.

dangus! I thought you made a hit-and-run post!

I may have been mistaken. Tis Christmas, after all.

If you continue answering your responders from the Trump side, I may take back (some of) the mean things I said about you. :)

Merry Christmas, and may Ted Cruz have gentle seas, and a fair wind at his back!

296 posted on 12/24/2015 9:48:55 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: driftdiver

Name Cruz’s great accomplishments in the Senate. You think he is so brilliant, stop trying to change the subject and answer the question.


297 posted on 12/24/2015 10:53:09 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: spetznaz

Well thought out.


298 posted on 12/25/2015 1:37:45 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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To: Theo
Sheesh. The racism is strong with you.

Cubans are a race?

Tell us more.

299 posted on 12/25/2015 1:49:09 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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To: riri

Excellent post.


300 posted on 12/25/2015 2:03:50 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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