Posted on 12/24/2015 7:07:28 AM PST by dangus
Donald Trump has an excuse for funding Hillary Clinton's election to the U.S. Senate from New York: That's how crony socialism is done. You pay off elected officials to become their crony, then you get special consideration for your real estate deals. Please FReepers, explain to me how this isn't precisely what we are trying to STOP in Washington? Do you know what I don't hear coming from Trump? "I'm going to put an end to such games." Rather, it seems like he is proud of how he has played the game, considers it is how he rose to the top, and in his generous self-appraisal, figures that anything that helped him make more of his billions must be good.
He also favors socialized medicine. Not just a mandated level of services (Obamacare), but the government paying for universal, single-payer health care. This isn't an opinion from 2000. This is from his current campaign:
Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?
Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–â€
Scott Pelley: Universal health care.
Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.
Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?
Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–
Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?
Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it.
Trump isn't a conservative. He's a narcissist who can't help telling the crowds what he thinks they want to hear. And so what we get in the Republican debates is an unelectable charicature of conservatism. One moment he's for keeping all Muslims out; the next he's only for keeping Islamofascists out. Well, duh. One moment, he's against the invasion of America by millions of communist Chinese and socialist Mexicans, the next, he's endorsing touchback amnesty.
Wait... you didn't know Trump favors granting citizenship to just about any red Chinese or Mexican who asks for it? "We have a lot of good people, they’ve been here and they've done a good job. It’s a tough situation and in some cases they haven’t been good people, and there have been some problems. The good ones we’ll expedite."
That's right... he's going to expedite illegal aliens already in the United States so that they can come right back into the United States.
Building a wall and then expediting illegal aliens in a touchback amnesty might help solve the security risks of uncontrolled illegal aliens, but how exactly are we going to simultaneously "expedite" them and screen them for terrorist connections? More than that, the fear that there might be terrorists among illegal aliens is one of the relatively minor issues I have with illegal aliens. I don't want my country invaded by Red Chinese and Mexican Reconquistadoras, driving down wages and consuming far more government services that they pay for.
But then we come to the issue that will make Donald Trump utterly, totally, completely unelectable. Unlike most socialists, Trump believes that American middle-class wages are too high. He has said this at almost every debate, and no rival or moderator has called him out on it. But with the Republicans already having a tough sell with Romney's legendary 47% who live off the government, can Republicans tell the vast majority of the remainder of Americans, "Oh, by the way, we'd be happy if you had way less money?"
Please, people, don't be like that Democrat socialite who couldn't believe Nixon won because she didn't know anyone who voted Republican. Trump is getting 96% of the coverage of Republican candidates, so he is who everyone is talking about. But don't confuse the volume of attention with electability. In a head-to-head poll matchup, Trump loses to Bernie Sanders in a landslide.
I've always thought the mainstream Republicans were fools to refuse to stand up for conservative values in the hope of winning an election. It's not just about watering down your beliefs to win over the middle; it's about giving people in the middle reason to think you'll do something about the conservative concerns they do have, and giving the base a reason to come out to vote. But is nominating someone who makes 58% of Americans think he is just an obnoxious blowhard the solution?
Please, if you think I'm an idiot, don't just tell me I'm an idiot. Tell me where you think I'm wrong. Tell me why you don't believe Trump won't pass a touchback amnesty into law, or won't institute socialized medicine. Show me data to say how he has a prayer of winning. I really do want a reason to believe that we're not about piss away our best chance at electing a conservative president since Ronald Reagan.
“You prefer a McCain or Romney, someone who gets along better with the Washington Cartel?”
That is a false dichotomy.
My point is that for all of the pronouncements of Cruz is going to “bring back constitutional government”, there is absolutely NO details on how he plans on doing this, when the Senate he is a part of does not support anything he brings to the floor outside of 3-4 people!
Unless he plans on being a dictator, he isn’t going to get squat done. Then what? Oh yeah, he’s going to start compromising. So this is why I dont fall for the crowing from his support base, because right now we have no details, and a full knowledge that he doesnt have any pull in congress.
At least I know what Trump’s plans are to back up the “make America Great Again” slogan, see that they have wide support, and know there is a tangible path to happening.
Hey 55;
How ‘conservative’ was Nancy Reagan?
I would be more concerned with GOPe stabbing Cruz in the back.
Trump will attract independents to make up for the jeb betrayers.
“. And also, is an answer a man that has played the insider elite game for his own personal enrichment, and played the seamiest side of the bankruptcy gain in ways that really hurt smaller businesses?”
Wrong again I see. The answer man re-negotiated loans with huge banks to his advantage. It was the yuge vs the yuge. Small business had nothing to do with it.
Good analysis and welcome to FR.
Unless he is genuine in his conservative transformation, we will have some battles with a President Trump. We are able to forgive that, however, because the future of the country is at stake and he gets it. For years our side was bashed by the press and by the other side and we responded very meekly. Trump actually, albeit sometimes foolishly, gets right back in their face. Finally we have someone who is going to fight back against the leftists.
Yes, he is a patriot. And I do believe he will work as hard as he can to fulfill his slogan of making America great again.
I don’t think you can make the statement that Populism has liberal planks, though it might well — because I don’t think we’ve really defined what it is I mean when I say Populism.
And also, when I say Populism, something I should also include is Nationalism.
Heck, it might be an interesting exercise and editorial for me to define what Populism and Nationalism looks like. We already have a good feel for what Elitism and Globalism looks like.
I’ll have enough to do there, than to address your second points about Trump. As you well know, the primary work of an argument is defining the terms.
I count four recent examples where Mr. Trump has shown terribly mistaken instincts regarding foundational principles of the Constitution. Mr. Trump is either 1) too disinterested to fully understand the principle (best case scenario), or 2) has rejected the principle outright justified in the frame of mind of an autocratic CEO which is dangerously extra-Constitutional for a POTUS.
1. Right to Privacy (favors reinstating the Patriot Act and NSA domestic spying despite U.S. intelligence agencies agreeing that the USA Freedom Act improves security)After what we've seen since the 2014 election in the betrayal by the GOP, I forever reject simply voting against something in the future (Democrats).
2. Freedom of Religion (suggested barring one religion only from entry, constitutional perhaps but unprecedented based on the criterion of religion alone and unworkable)
3. Freedom of Speech (favors selectively censoring undesirable speech (ISIS propaganda) on Internet)
4. Tenth Amendment (suggested executive order on application of death penalty for cop killers)
I will only vote for the candidate who will reclaim our U.S. Constitution in full, not one that will ignore the sections he views as obstacles to his agenda. Obama's extra-Constitutional lawlessness must be repudiated completely by the next President to preserve the Republic. If a Republican administration reinforces the precedent it will live on forever and abuses of executive power by future presidents will increase in number and terrifying scope.
The election in 2016 is a fork in the road for our Republic. Either the Constitution is reclaimed in full here and now or else the federal government, free of the chains of the Constitution, will eventually evolve into an oppressive regime with complete control over the people.
The MSM hates Trump, Stevie Wonder could see that,
You are definitely an idiot. Here's why:
On Health care Trump has said he wants market based reforms. He doesn't want single payer any more. But he does want to make a deal with hospitals to take care of the indigent and believes that by doing so, we will save a ton of money over the way it's administered now. And by the way, we've always had some ways of taking care of the indigent, whether it was free health clinics, Medicare, or just forcing providers to provide care and make it up by charging the next sick person more (an unconstitutional taking).
On immigration, Trump wants to restore the rule of law. he wants to build a wall to control the border, and I believe he can do it. He also realizes that it's not just to just deport families that have been allowed to be here for many years and are hard working. So yeah, he will allow some of then back in through legal means. But at least we have the rule of law restored, he will weed out the criminals and the sponges, and unlike all the other candidates, Trump has put forth a real plan. He is leading.
If we are going to play by the current trade rules where we allow anyone to sell to us without import tariffs whether they buy from us or not, then our wages are too high and we will continue to see high unemployment until they come way way down. But Trump wants to change the rules. Trump is willing to use import tariffs with countries that don't negotiate balanced trade. And that will bring salaries up.
Trump IS the conservative that we need to elect this time.
patriotism and liberty used to be the answer...now it;s populism and nationalism. History makes huge distinctions between those concepts, and the latter two ain’t good....
A good leader will seek to optimize the environment for the benefit of the system he leads. Back then he was leading a business, hence he was optimizing environment for that business. And he was very good at that job.
Now he is seeking to lead USA and from his past leadership record we can assume he will do as good a job as he did in his previous leadership roles.
The little fact that makes his position perfectly coherent and credible is that what is good for a particular business is not necessarily good for the country as a whole.
People who see contradiction in his positions while in different roles have a mistaken idea that the two kinds of optimizations are one and the same. They are not. It is like while having a girlfriend A promising not to sleep with woman B. That doesn't contradict possibility of splitting later with girlfriend A, becoming a boyfriend of woman B and then sleeping with her. For some reason the Trump haters are perplexed by such scenarios.
“Who knew that it was going to be the corrupt set-up that it is now?”
Gee, anyone with half a brain who paid attention during the Clinton presidency?
“Even if he donated to the Rat PACs that’s still not the same.”
True, it’s not the same as donating to Hillary, but you said he didn’t donate to federal candidates at all. Yet, he donated to Democratic committees which ONLY fund federal candidates. So he did donate to federal candidates, just not directly.
Marxism was a threat before the Cold War, and it’s still a threat. Just look at how badly Marxism has damaged the United States without even firing a shot. We’ve got an entire generation of young adults who voted an admitted socialist into the White House, because we didn’t think all those Marxist professors in our colleges were a threat to be worried about.
Unfortunately, there is no “PERFECT CANDIDATE”. Never has been, and never will be.
All of those leading in the polls are not establishment picks. The are not the choice of the Chamber people. They are not the choice of the one-world/open-border/ ruling class. Even the Bernmaster is considered an outsider and his numbers are rising.
The establishment is being torn down by the people on both sides of the aisle. Look at their enemies. See the ruling class cower. Throwing everything against the wall and hoping against hope that the peoples voice can be silenced as it has done so well even in the face of victory in the House and Senate.
Fear. That is what is driving the Anti-Trump/Cruz/Anti-Bernie forces. Fear of losing power. Fear of a cut in their dividend. Fear of their stock price going down. Fear of not being able to keep control by flooding the nation with third-worlders to drive down labor costs.
We understand the fear coming from the establishment types and their allies.
Because we are the ones who are purposely and methodically instilling it in them. And we don't care to soothe their nerves by trying to convince them to support Trump.
We don't need you.
We don't want you.
We are done with you.
Stand in the middle of the road. Stand in the way.
And roadkill thy will be.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Lol, you really don't get the MSM. They sell air time. Trump gives them something to sell for which they can then charge more money. Stop thinking that the pussies behind the camera are in charge of that business and direct its priorities. They're not.
{Can he really be any worse than what we have had??????}
Oh yeah..he can be much worse. Much.
To date no one has chosen to do that...which makes you wonder why.
Without a Senate cloakroom to hatch a plot in, Ted Cruz seems at a loss.
Jim Robinsons support for Trump is tepid at best?
Are you joking?
JR is like all of us....he likes that Trump fights
He’s destroyed the media and GOPe
He’s not running for his political career like ALL the rest but Dr Ben and he loves America and recognizes the enemy Islamism
JR is just like most rational freepers
Trump or Cruz
Win win
Here let’s ask him.
Or in trumps case: being married to woman A (with whom he had children), then cheat on her with woman B, then divorce woman A and marry woman B (with whom he had children), then cheat on her with woman C, then divorce woman B and marry woman D. Just like that!
Any man who cheats on his wife especially once children are in the picture is utterly and completely morally bankrupt...thank goodness the Donald did it TWICE!
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