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Two Winners and Four Losers in CNN’s GOP Debate
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| 09/17/2015
| Paula Bolyard
Posted on 09/17/2015 9:50:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Heres my 10-minute summary of the CNN Republican debate (which should have been renamed the CNN-Pssst-did-you-hear-that-nasty-thing-one-Republican-said-about-another-Republican debate):
The Winners:
Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina were the two standouts in Wednesdays debate.
Rubio brought an appealing mix of the common touch and tough talk on foreign policy to the debate stage. Unlike some other candidates, he didnt seem like he was elbowing his way into the debate, so it “felt” like he was a featured speaker. He sounded like the grownup in the room when he tussled with Trump on foreign policy. Trump grimaced and rolled his eyes, but offered no substantive rebuttal. Rubio has a nice way of dispensing with an opponent without sounding angry.
Fiorina was smart and scrappy. Her Planned Parenthood screed was fantastic. She rightly redirected the focus away from the faux womens healthcare straw man (straw woman?) to the real issue of Planned Parenthood selling chopped-up babies. Other candidates ought to take note. Carly does need to soften her edges a bit because she tends to dial it up to harsh and stay there.
Middle of the Pack:
Ted Cruz was brilliant and in command of the facts (despite the fact that Jake Tapper cut him off at nearly every pass). It occurred to me that Mike Huckabee could do a great service to his country by dropping out of the race and coaching Cruz on the common touch. Cruzs talking points are spot on, but he is missing warmth and the ability to connect on a personal level.
Mike Huckabees shining moment was his defense of religious liberty. He noted that GITMO prisoners are afforded more religious accommodations than county clerks in Kentucky. He has a point.
Chris Christie also had a good night and he landed some solid blows in Trumps direction. But he was crowded out by Carly and Rubio, so viewers will likely only remember his You kids stop fighting or Ill pull this debate over! moment when he told Carly and Trump to knock it off.
Walker had some good moments, but not enough of them. I honestly do not remember one thing he said.
Jeb Bush didn’t do anything to help himself in this debate, but he wasn’t as terrible as he could have been and didn’t cede any of his (already shaky) ground. That business about his wife was really cringeworthy. Rule #1: Dont dare Donald Trump to do something in a debate youre not 100% sure hell agree to. Basically, that rules out pretty much anything except asking him to mug for the camera. There was also way too much, Nuh uh. Yes huh! I realize he needed to punch back at Trump and defend his record, but his personality doesnt lend well to those types of exchanges, mostly because hes not quick enough with the rhetorical retorts.
The Losers:
Ben Carson was out of his element. Completely. And it was almost uncomfortable. His quip about Trump being an okay doctor was clever, but you got the sense that he had been waiting the entire debate to use it.
Donald Trump, as usual, was boorish and didn’t give substantive answers to important questions. From his patronizing attempt to salvage his remarks about Carlys face to his strange comments about Rand Pauls looks, Trump demonstrated once again that he is not a man of character. Over and over again he deflected serious policy question with clever laugh lines and insults.
Rand Paul tried to salvage his floundering campaign with appeals to the hardcore libertarians who supported his father, but he was too wonky and not likable.
John Kasich’s answers on foreign policy were bizarre. He seriously defended Obama’s Iran deal. And then he didn’t. Or did he? Who knows? He said two things that are in conflict: a) We shouldn’t trust the Iranians and b) if they cheat, the sanctions should be lifted. That’s Obama’s position, right? I also didn’t like his lecture about the American people not wanting to hear about these policy debates. That’s another line from Obama’s playbook…shut your opponents up by crying about how partisan they are while doing the exact same thing in another sentence.
Also in the Loser Category:
Add CNN to the list of losers. The debate format was terrible. Some candidates disappeared for 15-20 minutes at a time — as did moderators Dana Bash and Hugh Hewitt. A disproportionate number of questions focused on Donald Trump — who said what about whom and what did Donald Trump think about that? Granted, viewers were tuned in to watch the Trump sideshow, but one would hope to see some civic responsibility on CNN’s part (I know, I’m dreaming). Instead, they chose to pour gas on the Trump bonfire — burn, baby, burn. Dana Lash played the role of debate partisan Candy Crowley, injecting Planned Parenthood’s agenda into her questions, and Hugh Hewitt had an odd, flirty Trump swoon that was disappointing.
Also in the Winner Category:
The Reagan Library. The debate platform with Reagan’s plane in the background was fantastic.
Which candidates did you think were the winners and losers?
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To: livius
She’s right about Huck, he could be very helpful by dropping out and coaching Cruz on personal issues. That won’t happen spontaneously, because Mike remains envious and insecure about Cruz’s popularity with the same demographic.
Sad to hear that Walker failed (again!) to make a lasting impression at the debate. He may be pulling up a seat at the Kiddie Table with the B and C students next time.
To: SeekAndFind
“Trump grimaced and rolled his eyes, but offered no substantive rebuttal. Rubio has a nice way of dispensing with an opponent without sounding angry.”
TRUE. probably one of the few Freepers who pointed it out, even though I;m a semi fan of Trump but I give credit where it’s due: Rubio did an outstanding job on foreign policy which is
KILL TERRORISTS.
Trump I cant believe it fidget around the simple concept on killing terrorists. It’s NON NEGOTIABLE: destroy them. It;s like he didn’t give a sh*t about ISIS.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:21:36 AM PDT
by
max americana
(fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
To: sanjuanbob
I remember when Trump brought up North Korea, and people got confused. Yet I am glad he brought it up. We can’t lose sight of So Ronery, Jr, with all this Iranian BS going on. But these two are related, and we can’t forget that.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:22:32 AM PDT
by
BigEdLB
(Congress will have blood on their hands if anything happens because of the Iran appeasement)
To: ontap
That would be fantastic, and I believe at some point that The Sleeper (Ginsburg) has got to retire.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:22:47 AM PDT
by
livius
To: SeekAndFind
Some folks just never get it!!! I’ll tell you one who does not get it....Karl Rove!!! Trump rules...CNN, Salem Communications & the GOP (E) RINOs failed miserably. For those short on brains.....Check the activity in the Senate this morning by GOP(e) RINO leader, Mitch McConnell and his GOP RINO whimps.
Harry Reid,...the real Senate leader spanked him again. Now...if McConnell had the guts to invoke the “Nuclear Option”, we would have won....but, he is too busy being warm & cozy in Obama’s pocket!!! We gave the GOP (e) RINOs the Senate...thy gave us Harry Reid and Obama!!! That is why...”The Donald” looks like he is teflon!!! It is as simple as that...folks!!!
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:23:21 AM PDT
by
JLAGRAYFOX
( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party!!!)
To: SeekAndFind
Trump won because he kept Bush on the mat.
Carson and Fiorina will not be the nominee. They cannot withstand the scrutiny to their statements and records.
If I had to bet, I would say Trump made a big step towards the nomination last night. He was relatively calm and people like Bush , Kasich and Rubio couldn’t make headway.
To: WENDLE
Trump won 53% out of 600,000 polled on Drudge.Just FYI, if you believed the non scientific, online Drudge polls (or any other of the same type) you should still be shocked Ron Paul isn't president. Paul used to win those polls routinely. They are entirely and completely meaningless.
To: Calpublican
I must have watched a different debatePerhaps people saw and heard what they wanted to see and hear.
I thought the big losers were Megyn Kelley and Fox. Last night, the questioning as it was handled gave us a lot more insight into the strengths and weaknesses of each candidate than the mess Fox created did.
They stuck to the 30 second rebuttal for any candidate that was specifically named. About half way through most of the others caught on. The reason Trump got so much time is every time someone attacked him, it was 30 seconds more for which he owned the stage. I thought the net result was they showed some bonding toward the end, especially that vaccine dialog and the agreement that vaccines should be spread out (has any media outlet reported it that way?)
Jeb did awful! He said John Roberts is a good SC judge, for heaven's sake! I agree that Rubio did handle the debate very well. Kasich did himself in. Trump has to up his game with more facts and less insults, since the others have improved.
JMHO
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:25:28 AM PDT
by
grania
To: lee martell
I didn’t know that about Huckabee, but I guess if they’re both targeting the Evangelicals, that could be a conflict. But I don’t think Huckabee has any traction, except that he did well last night.
And Walker’s inability to connect surprised me too. He has great ideas, but maybe he’d be better as a Cabinet level person.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:26:00 AM PDT
by
livius
To: Resettozero
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:28:49 AM PDT
by
MeshugeMikey
("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
To: j.argese
Why do conservatives have such love affairs with people who come across as idiotic and dumb?
Palin and now Trump.
Can we not have a candidate that actually sounds intelligent?
To: WENDLE
Seriously, you don’t understand the significance of an on-line poll?
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:31:08 AM PDT
by
glabbe
To: Hildy
I just think it is funny that everyone here said he was going to wipe the stage with the others.....he is a debate expert after all. What a bunch of crap.......excuses that are give to him are legendary. He deserves none of it.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:33:00 AM PDT
by
napscoordinator
(Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
To: SeekAndFind
I agree that the CNN format left a lot to be desired, with giving candidates a chance to respond every time their name was mentioned in a comment. But with 11 people on the state I can imagine how it could ever be good.
To: SeekAndFind
Trump, at worst, was middle of the pack. Jeb should be in the loser column. I thought his performance was awful. Every time he tried to link himself to Reagan, highlighted how un-Reaganesque he is.
Rubio and Paul head to the "loser's bracket", as well. Rubio didn't set himself apart enough to get into the race. Paul's articulation of his marijuana position made him looked weak on law and order (which Christie seized on).
Marginal -- Christie and Cruz unfortunately. I don't think Christie's "hey, I'm a conservative, too" schtick played well. Cruz, says the right things and makes good points, but I think CNN successfully marginalized him to keep him from looking like a true contender.
Trump was a winner because he didn't lose the nomination last night. I don't think he particularly helped his cause, but he didn't screw up.
To: Resettozero
Sundance last night said that every word Carly spoke, every inflection, gesture, is a repeat of what she has said and done before. Practice ...practice.
However I did like what she said about PP - practiced or not. Impossible not to react to what she described and I’m glad there were 24 million to hear it.
I don’t trust Rubio 2 feet. Woman’s intuition. Yeah, he sounds good, he looks good, that’s how he puts food on the table. Rubio sort of gives me the same feeling that Bill Clinton did and unlike most women I couldn’t stand him.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:34:40 AM PDT
by
Aria
To: SeekAndFind
Good Analysis.
Donald Trump, as usual, was boorish and didnt give substantive answers to important questions
OK, so this'll get me flamed here on FR, but that's some spot-on analysis, right there.
Boorish? Who cares. What's important is that when he's asked a question about nearly any topic, Trump "Has a plan. A Superior Plan. We'll get some of the BEST PEOPLE to implement this superior plan. And we'll make America Great Again!"
In both debates, he sounded like a carnival huckster, with about as much substance.
I like the fact that he's moving the field to the right, and that he's bringing up topics that need to be discussed. He just needs to add detail. What plan? What good people? When? How? In a good debate, these would be followup questions. Instead, we had the debacle on FOX, and last night's three hours of "Candidate X, Trump said something mean about you last week. Care to respond?"
Cruz was the only one who didn't play CNN's game - "I'll let that candidate talk about his record. Let me tell you about mine...". The rest of the field looked more trivial for engaging in the playground politics.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:35:36 AM PDT
by
wbill
To: grania
On board with your assessment except Rubio did not connect for me. Maybe my expectations for him are too high since at the beginning of the cycle I expected a lot from him. There is something lacking in strength with his delivery.
Also, we need a president who can line out our legislators and he has not been a fighter. He’s rarely been there for the fights Cruz has taken on. He, like so many others, has been intimidated by McConnell.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:37:36 AM PDT
by
Calpublican
(Boehner,McConnell,Corker,McCain,Alexander,Hatch,Graham+More=Corrupt)
To: wbill
"He just needs to add detail. What plan? What good people?"
Top people!
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:40:13 AM PDT
by
BlueLancer
(Once is happenstance. Twice is circumstance. Three times is enemy action.)
To: livius
Retire in reference to Ginsburg is die!!
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:40:26 AM PDT
by
ontap
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